Selling year-old Baldcypress seedling in hand-made ceramic

[newtown_arboretum]

Guys, this dude is either an Nth level troll of the highest order, or you're arguing with a brick wall.

Dude heard the word bonsai once and knows all.

I'm no bonsai expert, but I have training in art history & botany.

It's easy to resort to comparisons with others but in my experience, you can always learn and improve your aethetic sense simply by being more present and receptive.

For bonsai, I can't imagine a better education than spending a few weeks in Japan, especially if you have some local friends to take you out of Tokyo

 

[newtown_arboretum]

Right, I find it hard to believe you're being genuine anymore. How is your activity condoned by NYC Parks if you specified you didn't seek nor obtain a permit?

And what about that collected tree is an aesthetic crime? It seems to me like it could be a great tree in the future.

Honestly I'm having trouble describing that tree as anything other than "mutilated" so let's agree to disagree.

I had permission to collect (Parks Research Permit). But rest assured that my standards are much higher than the parks department's.

 

[Paradox]

Honestly I'm having trouble describing that tree as anything other than "mutilated" so let's agree to disagree.

I had permission to collect (Parks Research Permit). But rest assured that my standards are much higher than the parks department's.

Said permit is for scientific research, not selling or making a profit on what you are collecting

https://www.nycgovparks.org/permits/research/

 

[Orion_metalhead]

For all the speak of art and aesthetics and botany yada yada... to not understand why the shown collected specimen would be prime bonsai material changes my opinion from you being genuinely interested to poser straphanger.

Final comment.

 

[darzuo]

Honestly I'm having trouble describing that tree as anything other than "mutilated" so let's agree to disagree.

Do you find any tree that has been trunk chopped or root pruned to be mutilated as well?

 

[darzuo]

For bonsai, I can't imagine a better education than spending a few weeks in Japan, especially if you have some local friends to take you out of Tokyo

For one thing, studying under someone who knows what they're doing when it comes to bonsai, most of which will agree that drastic pruning and cutbacks like in the BC you posted are correct steps in creating believable bonsai.

 

[rockm]

I appreciate your sentiments but my practices are 100% ethical and condoned by NYC Parks. I don't think I can be more clear than saying that one week after I SAVED these seedlings, the lawn they were growing in was mowed. Dead and uncollected or alive and collected is pretty cut-and-dry.

As for setting a precident, I think the BC community here could take notes from my collecting practices, which produces beautiful specimens. Compare any one of my pre-bonsai to the "bonsai" they chain-saw out of swamps in Louisiana. Not my photo (!!)
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Callous treatment of nature aside, this tree is an aethetic crime. Get real.

So much of American Taxodium bonsai is an affront to bonsai and conveys an apathy towards to delicate complexities of tree development.

uh. WHAT SPECIMENS have you produced? “An affront to bonsai” “conveys an apathy to delicate complexities of tree devel….. “botany”
I’m going Ron White on this string—he knows what caint be fixed.

 

[rockm]

Sorry can’t resist one last thing. Here’s an affront that might give the OP nightmares. He won’t know WTF Kimura is but Bonsai with CHAIN SAW

 

[newtown_arboretum]

Said permit is for scientific research, not selling or making a profit on what you are collecting

https://www.nycgovparks.org/permits/research/

You're caught up on the profit point. If I cared about that, I wouldnt be here. I'm all about education & dialogue. Dont get it twisted, friend.

Since people are still projecting/fixated upon this point, I want to be clear that I'm an aethetic freak so of course that contributed to my bonsai interest, but I'm mostly here becuase a select few bonsai artists have historically made huge advancements in botany, forestry, and urban ecology. I'd love to meet any interesting people like that, so let's focus our energy there.

I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. If you are new to ecology, you may not have heard of the Exxon oil spill and chemical dumping that made Newtown Creek (border of Brooklyn & queens) one of the most polluted waterways in the USA... The EPA has failed to take any effort besides data collection since its identification of Exxon as the primary culprit. Given the administrative standstill and recent EPA defunding, I began cultivating whatever Taxodium distichum I could economically and ethically collect myself, which happened to be "at-risk" NYC street trees.

Chinese scientists embraced Taxodium upon its introduction to the East between 1950-70 in large part due to the unique heavy metal fixation properties it exhibits, the cleansing effects its detritus has on the acidic "black" water of a Taxodium swamp. Alongside distichum's impressive resistance to root rot in standing water, its "stands" in the American South exhibit a rare ability to cycle nutrients under the poorest soil oxygen, in salt and brackish water, and they grow like weeds. Besides the history of research by their Chinese counterparts, most American botanists and bonsai "artists" know this, yet serious land reclamation efforts using Taxodium remain rare, so I am taking matters into my own hands.

This project is a serious undertaking and I could use advice from anyone who has tried anything similar. Any support or suggestions would be appreciated. Hit me up to discuss collaboration if you're in NYC, near another inactive Superfund "cleanup" site, or if you have BC bonsai you would like to donate to the effort.

 

[newtown_arboretum]

Sorry can’t resist one last thing. Here’s an affront that might give the OP nightmares. He won’t know WTF Kimura is but Bonsai with CHAIN SAW

Rude! I know this guy... our literate friends might know him from the New Yorker a few years (?) back:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/11/21/the-beautiful-brutal-world-of-bonsai&ved=2ahUKEwjRmaPRjomRAxUIlokEHaGUDeAQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw14Mt5LZ0Db0FVg85fNEklv

This industry is full of hack artists and profiteers in America and Japan. I like to think that the hack-ery was imported from the US but.... anyways... Here's another cringe-worthy watch if that sort of thing gets you off:

 

[Attmos]

Aside from the gross negligence, I'm have a hard time understanding why there are four pages to this post.

This guy needs a spankin', and everyone knows it. That's it... end of story.

 

[newtown_arboretum]

Do you find any tree that has been trunk chopped or root pruned to be mutilated as well?

No. But I'll lyk if you send me a photo.

I mean if even if it looks like trash, it's still a living being and could be useful to certain habitats. Consider donating your busted BC to the Newtown Creek bonsai project

 

[newtown_arboretum]

No. But I'll lyk if you send me a photo.

I mean if even if it looks like trash, it's still a living being and could be useful to certain habitats. Consider donating your busted BC to the Newtown Creek bonsai project

Post in thread 'Selling year-old Baldcypress seedling in hand-made ceramic'

Sunday at 12:23 PM

Said permit is for scientific research, not selling or making a profit on what you are collecting

https://www.nycgovparks.org/permits/research/

You're caught up on the profit point. If I cared about that, I wouldnt be here. I'm all about education & dialogue. Dont get it twisted, friend.

Since people are still projecting/fixated upon this point, I want to be clear that I'm an aethetic freak so of course that contributed to my bonsai interest, but I'm mostly here becuase a select few bonsai artists have historically made huge advancements in botany, forestry, and urban...

• newtown_arboretum

 

[darzuo]

yet serious land reclamation efforts using Taxodium remain rare, so I am taking matters into my own hands.

So in other words, not only are you poaching trees illegally, you are also planning to transplant them illegally as well? It seems you have no interest in bonsai nor respect for serious conservation.

 

[darzuo]

I'm curious what you consider to be beautiful specimen bonsai trees.

 

[Paradox]

You're caught up on the profit point. If I cared about that, I wouldnt be here. I'm all about education & dialogue. Dont get it twisted, friend.

Since people are still projecting/fixated upon this point, I want to be clear that I'm an aethetic freak so of course that contributed to my bonsai interest, but I'm mostly here becuase a select few bonsai artists have historically made huge advancements in botany, forestry, and urban ecology. I'd love to meet any interesting people like that, so let's focus our energy there.

I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. If you are new to ecology, you may not have heard of the Exxon oil spill and chemical dumping that made Newtown Creek (border of Brooklyn & queens) one of the most polluted waterways in the USA... The EPA has failed to take any effort besides data collection since its identification of Exxon as the primary culprit. Given the administrative standstill and recent EPA defunding, I began cultivating whatever Taxodium distichum I could economically and ethically collect myself, which happened to be "at-risk" NYC street trees.

Chinese scientists embraced Taxodium upon its introduction to the East between 1950-70 in large part due to the unique heavy metal fixation properties it exhibits, the cleansing effects its detritus has on the acidic "black" water of a Taxodium swamp. Alongside distichum's impressive resistance to root rot in standing water, its "stands" in the American South exhibit a rare ability to cycle nutrients under the poorest soil oxygen, in salt and brackish water, and they grow like weeds. Besides the history of research by their Chinese counterparts, most American botanists and bonsai "artists" know this, yet serious land reclamation efforts using Taxodium remain rare, so I am taking matters into my own hands.

This project is a serious undertaking and I could use advice from anyone who has tried anything similar. Any support or suggestions would be appreciated. Hit me up to discuss collaboration if you're in NYC, near another inactive Superfund "cleanup" site, or if you have BC bonsai you would like to donate to the effort.

The point is you are not supposed to sell ANYTHING collected with a RESEARCH permit. Your motivation or aesthetic sense makes no difference, you are trying to sell it period.

Do not lecture me on the environment/ecology.
I have a masters degree in it, have been working in the field for 30 years and am very familiar with New York environmental regulations.

Being that BC are not native to NY, they will most likely not be allowed to be used as a restoration plant for Newtown creek.
Doing so would alter the ecosystem you are claiming you are trying to restore/protect.
Perhaps you should focus on the plants that will be allowed, such as native wetland plants.
For that matter, Id suggest working with an actual agency, or not for profit that is actually doing restoration work.

 

[newtown_arboretum]

So in other words, not only are you poaching trees illegally, you are also planning to transplant them illegally as well? It seems you have no interest in bonsai nor respect for serious conservation.

I'd rather not respond, but others should know that this interpretation is an EXAMPLE OF BAD FAITH READING. Please please @darzuo feel free to mute this thread or my account

 

[newtown_arboretum]

The point is you are not supposed to sell ANYTHING collected with a RESEARCH permit. Your motivation or aesthetic sense makes no difference, you are trying to sell it period.

Do not lecture me on the environment/ecology.
I have a masters degree in it, have been working in the field for 30 years and am very familiar with New York environmental regulations.

Being that BC are not native to NY, they will most likely not be allowed to be used as a restoration plant for Newtown creek.
Doing so would alter the ecosystem you are claiming you are trying to restore/protect.
Perhaps you should focus on the plants that will be allowed, such as native wetland plants.

MA in bureaucratic thinking

 

[newtown_arboretum]

I'm curious what you consider to be beautiful specimen bonsai trees.

Post in thread 'Larch grove after 45 yrs'

Nov 17, 2025

Here's a combined image of the forest now with five trees (one is a snag). I will be wiring the two new ones pitched toward the No.1 tree such to create better balance.

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Here's one

 

[Paradox]

MA in bureaucratic thinking

No that is a master of science, not art, FYI