Random tree in a hedge

[bonsai-novice]

Hello,

I was doing a bit of digging and found this tree in the middle of a privet hedge.

I managed to get it out though probably on the lower side of roots, so fingers crossed I won't have killed it.

I was wondering whether anyone was sale to hazard a guess as to what ot may be? As I have never noticed it before so haven't seen clue.

I won't prune it uet as I don't want to completely butcher it, but does anyone have any suggestions for possible future routes I could take with it ?

Thanks in advance ☺

 

[Shibui]

Buds are alternate. Bark is smooth, brown.
Only a wild guess on very limited info but I'd say possible elm. Check if there are other elms nearby. They sucker from roots prolifically, often some distance from the parent tree. Multiple trunks close together adds weight to sucker possibility. A few elm species also grow from seed.

Many species (including most of the elm family) will transplant with surprisingly few roots so don't give up hope too soon on this transplant.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Don't suppose you can find leaf of this one?

 

[penumbra]

I'm with elm on this one.

 

[Michael P]

I won't hazard a guess on species, but I see a bunjin in this tree.

 

[bonsai-novice]

Don't suppose you can find leaf of this one?

Unfortunately not. I neve the noticed it unt yesterday so never seen what leaves it has

 

[bonsai-novice]

I won't hazard a guess on species, but I see a bunjin in this tree.

That's a cool idea. As I only had one idea which is probably not very good. It had had super thick root which I had to kind of hack at,so I thought it might be an idea to eventually put it at an angle, like it has fallen over.

 

[bonsai-novice]

Thid was also attached attached it but accidently broke it off had loads of roots on it though so thought I'd pot it up

 

[Shibui]

It had had super thick root which I had to kind of hack at,

Possibly the original tree root that these suckers have grown from.

I neve the noticed it unt yesterday so never seen what leaves it has

Leaves do not always need to be attached for clues. Look around on the ground nearby. Fallen leaves often do not go far and don't rot away quickly so leaf evidence could be nearby. Also look at what larger trees are growing nearby that could produce root suckers or drop seeds.

 

[Orion_metalhead]

Close up of buds would help.

 

[Woocash]

Dude, winter ID is so much easier with a close up of the buds. Based on bark, growth habit and bud placement I’d hazard a guess it’s a field elm, Ulmus Minor, but without the buds properly shown it could be anything, especially in an english privet hedge!

 

[bonsai-novice]

So I've I've go take pictures of the buds and found a leaf. Most of the dead leaves where I found it are either privet, oak, or beech. It's obviously not the two former, and I can't think it would be the latter as don't beech hold onto their leaves until spring?

 

[Woocash]

So I've I've go take pictures of the buds and found a leaf. Most of the dead leaves where I found it are either privet, oak, or beech. It's obviously not the two former, and I can't think it would be the latter as don't beech hold onto their leaves until spring?

Well that leaf is not native, so not elm or standard hedgerow material, if indeed it is from that plant. Do you have any buds from the end of the branch? They’re more likely to be active and elongated. I’m still leaning to an elm though, as they often have exposed dormant buds and the bark is right. That leaf is not an elm leaf though. They have an uneven base either side of the petiole.

 

[bonsai-novice]

Here are some pictures of the buds at the end of the branch

 

[bonsai-novice]

So I was doing more gardening and found this beech in the same privet hedge, so managed to get it out too, with a lot more root. The main one must havd been about an inch thick.

I have put an upside down plant pot inside that pot as I thought it was a bit too big? So I don't know whether that is a good of bad thig to do. The stump of the root is on the pot and the roots I moved into the grooves to help them take a nicer shape.


Do you think it is okay to keep them indoors at the moment until the weather gets gets a warmer? I'm in Northern ireland so imagine it is still a bit cold to put them outside properly. Plus our central heating doesn't get past 15°C.

I'm more worried sbout it being too windy than cold at the moment.

Once again, any ideas for future shaping would be greatly appreciated

 

[bonsai-novice]

Tge big one has finally come into leaf and I was just wondering whether anyone had any ideas for what I could do with it? It has a very long straight branch so I'm a bit clueless, qnd my of rhe leaves are on one side of the straight trunk.

 

[BobbyLane]

assuming the above tree is the one in first post, it does look like an Elm. There's many leaf apps, you can easily take a pic and run it through the leaf identifier to be sure? they can tell you what species of elm. I would let it grow and build up some root power. We're unsure how much root you dug it up with. Could reduce the main trunk underneath where it starts to bulge and find a strong twig to chop to. Yes you can probably do that now, then I would just leave it to grow out. Looks like it can be a nice 3 tree clump with a main taller trunk and two smaller ones. Could be nice in around 5 years they grow and fill out so fast.


Here's one im doing, I have a few old english elm threads around somewhere..

English Elm root cutting

I took a few root cuttings in spring and this is the only one that survived... a couple weeks ago i pushed it to lay flat in the soil. so ill try to do a clump from it, earlier i selected all the strongest shoots and got some early movement in, after securing the base as not to cause any...

www.bonsainut.com

 

[BobbyLane]

So I was doing more gardening and found this beech in the same privet hedge, so managed to get it out too, with a lot more root. The main one must havd been about an inch thick.

I have put an upside down plant pot inside that pot as I thought it was a bit too big? So I don't know whether that is a good of bad thig to do. The stump of the root is on the pot and the roots I moved into the grooves to help them take a nicer shape.


Do you think it is okay to keep them indoors at the moment until the weather gets gets a warmer? I'm in Northern ireland so imagine it is still a bit cold to put them outside properly. Plus our central heating doesn't get past 15°C.

I'm more worried sbout it being too windy than cold at the moment.

Once again, any ideas for future shaping would be greatly appreciated

So this has more root than the elm Elms are tough, not sure about the beech tho

Good luck

 

[bonsai-novice]

assuming the above tree is the one in first post, it does look like an Elm. There's many leaf apps, you can easily take a pic and run it through the leaf identifier to be sure? they can tell you what species of elm. I would let it grow and build up some root power. We're unsure how much root you dug it up with. Could reduce the main trunk underneath where it starts to bulge and find a strong twig to chop to. Yes you can probably do that now, then I would just leave it to grow out. Looks like it can be a nice 3 tree clump with a main taller trunk and two smaller ones. Could be nice in around 5 years they grow and fill out so fast.

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Here's one im doing, I have a few old english elm threads around somewhere..

English Elm root cutting

I took a few root cuttings in spring and this is the only one that survived... a couple weeks ago i pushed it to lay flat in the soil. so ill try to do a clump from it, earlier i selected all the strongest shoots and got some early movement in, after securing the base as not to cause any...

www.bonsainut.com

Thanks, that's a really good idea. I always really struggle to see in my head what it could look like. I think I am still too nervous about making drastic cuts.

 

[bonsai-novice]

So this has more root than the elm Elms are tough, not sure about the beech tho

Good luck

yeah, I think the Beech died