Pot identification help

First one looks western-made to me.

Might find the mark here:
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Or here:


The second is likely Chinese, but I don't know the stamp. Don't know if you're on Facebook, but there is a group there that has a few top experts on bonsai pottery as members.
 
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First one looks western-made to me.

Might find the mark here:
'
Or here:


The second is likely Chinese, but I don't know the stamp. Don't know if you're on Facebook, but there is a group there that has a few top experts on bonsai pottery as members.
Hi, tnx, for the resources.. I'll try do do some more research.. scrolled to a but, but cant seem to get a hit.. will also try the FB-group.
 
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