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[AZbonsai]

If I am interpreting your definition correctly Bolero this would be a Shuǐhàn pénjǐng style tree? A very amateur attempt on my part

 

[BunjaeKorea]

Hello, what is your connection with Dr Naude or are you Dr Naude ?

That is my pompous name yes. At your service good sir....

Ps: titles are fleeting and over-rated lol

 

[thumblessprimate1]

I've had an interest in penjing, but then I fell in love with the Japanese art form, bonsai. I still have soft spot for penjing or penjing like trees. There are plans to try to develop a few of my Celtis stock into trees with a similar flavor as ones found on these pages. Dig around the Website and you'll find neat stuff around there. I've known the facebook page for a while, but noticed the Website.

http://ktkf-bonsai.com/motion.asp?siteid=1006882&menuid=42142

Here's what to look for if you're interested in the FB page.

 

[BunjaeKorea]

I've had an interest in penjing, but then I fell in love with the Japanese art form, bonsai. I still have soft spot for penjing or penjing like trees. There are plans to try to develop a few of my Celtis stock into trees with a similar flavor as ones found on these pages. Dig around the Website and you'll find neat stuff around there. I've known the facebook page for a while, but noticed the Website.

http://ktkf-bonsai.com/motion.asp?siteid=1006882&menuid=42142

Here's what to look for if you're interested in the FB page.
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Awesome! Traditional script...! Easy to read thanks..

 

[Bolero]

That is my pompous name yes. At your service good sir....

Ps: titles are fleeting and over-rated lol

Wow, very impressive...I have perused your website and information available and it appears you are a very accomplished individual in the World of Languages, your Bonsai pictures are very nice, love the Quince...
Is your friend in photo a Lepoard or Cheeta ???
You look very young and not typical Korean looks, ???
I watch all the National Geo and History stuff on TV, I am especially interested in Origins of Religion, Christianity, Hebrew, Buhhdism, Hindu, Zen....

 

[Bolero]

If I am interpreting your definition correctly Bolero this would be a Shuǐhàn pénjǐng style tree? A very amateur attempt on my part View attachment 130593

I like your Penjing, very nice with the Mountains, the little figure is un necessary for the setting and doesn't say anything...
A little pruning on the tree and you are Good to Go...
What kind of tree ?

 

[Anthony]

Az, when you use rocks, they should look as though they grew there / natural.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[AlainK]

As BunjaeKorea wrote:

This is a differnce in culture and interpretation... in my opinion both styles are beautiful in their own right.

Can't agree more, and... But:

If I am interpreting your definition correctly Bolero this would be a (...)

Who really cares what it can-could-should-must be named?

As long as people, and above all you like it, isn't it a bit vain to try and put it into a category that would, or is supposed to, enhance its aesthetic value?

Let's make Bonsai humble again: we're the fruit of our diversity, we have influences from different cultures (I mean those of us who don't lock ourselves in our stale little big universe)

What makes a good bonsai or a good penjing is that it's a good bonsai or a good penjing.

No "alternative truth".

To me, these are not "alternative penjings", they're masterpieces we should all take lessons from :

Of course, we can reject any influence, or different view from our deep-core sense of what is "right", but I do think that what others bring will make us better (as long as it's not a gun-culture based on religious hocus-pocus)

 

[AlainK]

I like it when someone from Texas "likes" my ranting.

Makes me feel that there are people everywhere, anywhere in the world who are willing to make our world better, widen their/our horizons because there shouldn't be borders between people of good will.

Exchange. Mutual benefits, and knowledge, not shrinking to a petty defence of times gone by for centuries (milleniums for the dummies, who are stupid enough to believe that the earth was created in 7 days)

Only bad people will not welcome a stranger, only ignorants will stick to their ignorance and be unable to try and understand what the others can bring.

 

[Bolero]

Sometimes the others, the strangers, bring guns, fly airplanes into buildings and essentially believe that all that don't believe in what they do should be slain...

and the smart ones will protect against this type of Behavior...

 

[AlainK]

Sometimes the others, the strangers, bring guns, fly airplanes into buildings and essentially believe that all that don't believe in what they do should be slain...

I've never met any of those. Have you ever?...

I live in a country which is a secular country: no president swears on a religious book, no bible, no kuran, no phone-book, no twitter account.

I live with friends from different origins and different cultures :

Anna, who is from Norway : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
Shane, from London, Canada : http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/31/americas/quebec-mosque-shooting/
Tolga, from Turkey : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cker-opens-fire-in-istanbul-nightclub-reports

The list of my friends from all around the world that have at least one of their families or kins murdered by religious extremists is unfortunately much longer.

"Sometimes the others, the strangers, bring guns, (...)" : Why should they?

Those who are evil ones know that they will find everything they need in the USA, your yellow wigged elected con-man will be ready to provide as long as it brings MONEY!

For the love of profit is what your new administration is, and you'll all be bowing to the golden calf, my poor american friends.

 

[Bolero]

I will not dignify your childish post...

 

[AlainK]

Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Uh... let's stay on subject if possible and not squabble. I've had a good day and I am happy for everyone!

 

[AZbonsai]

I like your Penjing, very nice with the Mountains, the little figure is un necessary for the setting and doesn't say anything...
A little pruning on the tree and you are Good to Go...
What kind of tree ?

Thank you. It is a cape honeysuckle. This is my 5th month in bonsai so I am just learning. I like to be able to tell people what style my bonsai are...

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Thank you. It is a cape honeysuckle. This is my 5th month in bonsai so I am just learning. I like to be able to tell people what style my bonsai are...

Worry less about "style" and more about emotion. I kid you not, after doing this for 30 years, I find myself drifting away from the rules, and asking myself the question "does it 'move' me?"

Of course that is MY definition of bonsai - Mother Nature in a small form. Can I look at a bonsai (as an art form) and does it speak to me? It can satisfy all the rules of bonsai, in the way that the LA River can satisfy the rules of being a river... but is it Mother Nature? The best bonsai are those that are developed by man (and woman) kind... without leaving a trace. I have seen a handful of bonsai in my life that mystify me. And none of them are mine.

 

[AZbonsai]

You have to know the rules before you can move away from them. It seems to me all art forms (music, painting, woodworking, poetry, literature etc) is defined and classified in some way. Identifying the art of Salvador Dali as surrealism, Mozarts music as classical or Tennessee Erie Fords songs as country and western, does not diminish their work or make it have less feeling, it simply gives one a framework of perspective to see how truly amazing their art is within that genre. I believe bonsai is an art form and our art can, and should be classified in some way.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Worry less about "style" and more about emotion. I kid you not, after doing this for 30 years, I find myself drifting away from the rules, and asking myself the question "does it 'move' me?"

Of course that is MY definition of bonsai - Mother Nature in a small form. Can I look at a bonsai (as an art form) and does it speak to me? It can satisfy all the rules of bonsai, in the way that the LA River can satisfy the rules of being a river... but is it Mother Nature? The best bonsai are those that are developed by man (and woman) kind... without leaving a trace. I have seen a handful of bonsai in my life that mystify me. And none of them are mine.

Well said and well agreed!

 

[Potawatomi13]

You have to know the rules before you can move away from them. It seems to me all art forms (music, painting, woodworking, poetry, literature etc) is defined and classified in some way. Identifying the art of Salvador Dali as surrealism, Mozarts music as classical or Tennessee Erie Fords songs as country and western, does not diminish their work or make it have less feeling, it simply gives one a framework of perspective to see how truly amazing their art is within that genre. I believe bonsai is an art form and our art can, and should be classified in some way.

Back on subject of "rules" yet again as in another forum. As admin speaks too much "knowing"/ adhering to rules makes great cookie cutters but lousy Bonsai expression not Moving to many or most self included.

 

[M. Frary]

Tennessee Erie Fords

Sang the Monster Mash.