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[yenling83]

Can someone please talk about the difference in display between the Toko Kazari display competition and the display done at the Kokufu 10 yearly exhibits in Japan each year? Once again i'm a total newbie with display.

It seems like at the Toko Kazari scrolls were displayed with tree and accent. At the Kokufu I don't usually see scrolls, why is that? I'm thinking that the toko kazari competition was more of what you would traditionally display in your home. Do accent plants differ from this alcove Toko Kazari display compared with public show displays? What else is different? When is each type of display appropriate?

thanks!

 

[Smoke]

Although this display may be wonderful for various reasons as explained above, there is something very technically wrong with the way this scroll is hung...

Which side the chop is on is a matter of personal taste. Like bar branches if they work why would you cut them off.

Again because you know something about scrolls this is a technical issue for you, but for most people that do not know any better it is just enjoyment to appreciate the image.

If this scroll did not have a chop it would be difficult to choose a movement for it. This scroll does not really have a movemnet except for the fact, "do you want the beak of the kingfisher to point to the tree or away from the tree", your choice?

I have seen many photo's of professional tokonoma displays from Japan with the chop nearest the primary object.

The scroll I used in my display was on the proper side but again it would be "do you want the tip of the cherry branch to point to the tree or away from it?" The visual weight of the scroll is fairly balanced.

 

[bwaynef]

Please fill us in, I don't see anything, but I have untrained eyes

He probably wants you to buy his book.

 

[kakejiku]

Actually this has nothing to do with the Chop and everything to do with the Futai. They are to be straightened to hang flat against the top border of the Ue Ichimonji. This is just not a correct way to hang a scroll with Futai. And if this terminology is confusing, feel free to go to my blog at www.wallscroll.blogspot.com to learn the meanings of the scroll parts.

He probably wants you to buy his book.

Of course I would love people to buy my book, because like everyone else I have a family to feed. You can access a 6 page sample of the book on my web page. Some bonsai artists have signed up for my course, and some students are willing to come in from other countries to learn...

I do not have a bonsai background per se, so I love to read and learn from Keppler San's insight into display as it is helpful and has deep instruction...but because different people can bring different experiences and knowledge to a subject we should all be willing to open both hearts and ears to all.

P.S. Yenling, sorry I hijacked this thread away from Kusamono, and which was the original topic of the thread...

Regards,

Jonathan

 

[bwaynef]

I do not have a bonsai background per se, so I love to read and learn from Keppler San's insight into display as it is helpful and has deep instruction...but because different people can bring different experiences and knowledge to a subject we should all be willing to open both hearts and ears to all.

I just recall your last post wherein your reply to a question asking for more information was basically, "buy the book".

From http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4663

I didn't know I had a fuutai That it is hanging correctly pleases me.

Sorry, couldn't resist. What is a fuutai?

"How to Make Handmade Wallscrolls" would give the definition of Fuutai.

 

[Smoke]

Actually this has nothing to do with the Chop and everything to do with the Futai. They are to be straightened to hang flat against the top border of the Ue Ichimonji. This is just not a correct way to hang a scroll with Futai. And if this terminology is confusing, feel free to go to my blog at www.wallscroll.blogspot.com to learn the meanings of the scroll parts.


Jonathan

Spiffy, the two hanggy down things!

Scrolls come in many combinations. They fall into three catagories, Shin (formal), Gyo (informal) and So (casual). From there they continue to use this jargon till we have a scroll like Shin of Gyo. meaning a formal informal scroll. Or a Shin of Shin, a formal of a formal scroll

What makes a scroll formal or Shin.....a Futai. (for starters, its still more complicated than that, but lets start here)

The problem with a futai is that they are folded up within the scroll. On this scroll hanging in my living room we have a Shin of Gyo scroll. A formal informal scroll. What does this mean, it means that an informal tea ceromony piece of art was mounted with a formal mounting. The futai are hanging down at the top of the scroll.

 

[Smoke]

The futai is folded very precisely in the scroll when it is rolled for storage. It is folded diagonaly and then folded back upon itself. It now lies at the upper edge of the scroll and is wrapped up within the scroll when rolled.

These scrolls are stored by whatever means the owner wishes to employ. I keep mine in a special container that is smoke, water and fire proof.

When I go to the Toko kazari to display my piece, the scroll is taken from the box and unrolled, it is placed in the wall area and scroll weights are used to help flatten the whole mounting. No special attention is paid to the futai, except as to flattening with my hand. I mean I have not been very interested in usuing a hot iron on one of my 150 year old scrolls. In speaking to the curator of the Japanese museum I have asked about the futai and no mention has ever been made as to proper or improper handeling of the futai. I have been scolded about improper handleing of the scroll itself

 

[Smoke]

It seems that Kobayashi has not seen the memo either......Doesn't make it right...I'm just sayin!


Scans from International Bonsai
William Valavanis, Prp.

 

[Smoke]

Can someone please talk about the difference in display between the Toko Kazari display competition and the display done at the Kokufu 10 yearly exhibits in Japan each year? Once again i'm a total newbie with display.

It seems like at the Toko Kazari scrolls were displayed with tree and accent. At the Kokufu I don't usually see scrolls, why is that? I'm thinking that the toko kazari competition was more of what you would traditionally display in your home. Do accent plants differ from this alcove Toko Kazari display compared with public show displays? What else is different? When is each type of display appropriate?

thanks!

Technically the Kokufu and Taikan are Seki Kazari exhibits.(table top displays)
Toko= Tokonoma
Seki=table
Kazari =display

Much the same idea Boon exhibits at his yearly exhibition. In those displays we often see four point and three point displays with the display usuing two trees. Kokufu does not use scrolls because to get the type of effect needed usuing a scroll a Tokonoma is needed to get the inside height necessary for a scroll 80 inches long. Most Tokonoma are only about 6 to 7 inches off the floor and continue to the ceiling. While at the museum where we hold our Kazari, we have 14 foot ceilings in which to use.

Our display contest is judged usuing Keido principles and two trees in the Tokonoma would be redundent. The first year Kenji Miyata used the effect while last year Boon used two trees. The displays were judged accordingly according to the Keido score sheet which specifically asks about redundent themes. Two trees, why? does another tree in the display make it twice as good....errr. no.

Seki Kazari is about the tree, or trees. Scrolls would diminish the reason for the exhibit. To showcase a tree artists work.

If one wishes to see scroll displays at Kokufu ask to go down into the basement. Bill V. may be able to elaborate on this as I have never been.

Boons Display at Kazari
A four point display

 

[Smoke]

The critique on this display was that the display was overly redundent. It had two trees on the tatami while showing a tree line in the scroll. The red maple while dark and red in spring was not vibrant enough for a spring mood and darkened the display too much making it seem fallish. The accent plant had far too many flowers on it for spring.

Ms. Shaner also thought the movement of the tree was to the right and not to the left. After a long battle with Jim Gremel about this...errr another time, another thread.

 

[milehigh_7]

Holy moly! I did not know how much I did not know! Just when one starts to scratch the surface with the trees along comes displaying them properly.

 

[yenling83]

The critique on this display was that the display was overly redundent. It had two trees on the tatami while showing a tree line in the scroll. The red maple while dark and red in spring was not vibrant enough for a spring mood and darkened the display too much making it seem fallish. The accent plant had far too many flowers on it for spring.

Ms. Shaner also thought the movement of the tree was to the right and not to the left. After a long battle with Jim Gremel about this...errr another time, another thread.

Sorry Al, I'm curious: I think the movement is def to the left on the Black Pine. What do you think & Why? Thank you for all the information you are sharing in this thread.

 

[kakejiku]

Sorry Al, I'm curious: I think the movement is def to the left on the Black Pine. What do you think & Why? Thank you for all the information you are sharing in this thread.

Yes that was a great exposition on one type of nomenclature system of the several nomenclature systems used by various Hyougushi.