Orion_metalhead
Masterpiece
University? Lol
Naming Laceleaf X Arakawa Japanese Maple
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Themilkyway
Sapling
AP “ST-gbbj”
Acer Palmatum “Subscribe to Growing Bonsai by Jelle”
Acer Palmatum “Subscribe to Growing Bonsai by Jelle”
So-called to make the perv's that go there feel better about themselves......
BonsaiOnTheBrainTX
Yamadori
Man that’s exciting! I can’t wait to see how this all turns out, the tree looks great too. How about ‘Arakawa Lace’ or ‘Jelle’s Arakawa Lace”
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
Rugosa means ridged or rough.
Rugosuber, a combination of ridged corky bark sounds kinda sexy.
Rugosuber, a combination of ridged corky bark sounds kinda sexy.
Zac
Mame
This is awesome can't wait till it's available to buy!
good luck with the process
good luck with the process
InstilledChaos
Mame
If you pick a name from this thread can the lucky poster get an early shot at a rooted cutting? 
Zac
Mame
How about corky lace
defra
Masterpiece
nice jelle!
i cant think of a name but maybe something comes to mind later
i cant think of a name but maybe something comes to mind later
eugenev2
Shohin
How about acer palmatum "leatherback"
Or something more tradition
acer palmatum "Rezā bakku" (sorry my japanese isn't that good)
Or something more tradition
acer palmatum "Rezā bakku" (sorry my japanese isn't that good)
leatherback
The Treedeemer
what does it stand for?
But you are thinking the route I am also considering. In a few weeks I hope to see my Japanese bonsai teacher, and I will also ask him for appropriate japanese words. Like arakawa, nishiki gawa. I think it would be fitting. But.. My name in there might be nice.
If anybody has a route under which I can ensure this plant is known and "sticks to me" .. Open for ideas.
I was thinking publishing about the variety in a bonsai journal.
eugenev2
Shohin
It means exactly the same as the first one "leatherback" unless i failed...which is very possible
RoadManDenDron
Chumono
leatherback
The Treedeemer
buuuut... I am not in the commercial propagation business! Only if I would protect the variety (400 USD/yr just for EU, + 3-5000E upfront cost) AND find a commercial propagator to pay licences. But.. A lot of trees to be sold before you hit those numbers.
Anybody experience? Is it at all worth protecting?
InstilledChaos
Mame
If the cultivar had mass landscape appeal it might be worth copyrighting. Unfortunately, I would think it’s unlikely that the rough bark equates to mass appeal in this case, no matter how rad we know the combo is!
vesper818
Mame
Jelle's Belle
Glaucus
Omono
Many commercial nurseries stopped patenting their varieties because it is too expensive. Instead, they register a trademark name that they use for their stuff. Which means other people can propagate their plants from cuttings, without having to ask permission & buy a license. But they can't use the same name. Apparently, that's much cheaper. And that protects the marketing, rather than the plant genetics.
Van Son & Koot seem to be patenting acer cultivars in the Netherlands, though. Maybe you talked to them, or to Esveld. Since a commercial grower in the EU seems to be breeding and patenting Acer palmatum cultivars, it may be that yours has commercial value. Which may mean you don't want to just give it away. Especially if on your first or second contact, you notice immediate interest from them. But I guess for Japanese maples especially, for landscaping, the bark doesn't matter too much as you'd usually wouldn't even see it.
If this is your first try, as you make it a bit mysterious how you got this mix of traits, you might want to try again and see if you can get more, and maybe better, versions of the corkbark & laceleaf combination.
As for the name, of course everyone here wants to name it after you. But I guess you want a name that helps sell it. If you target bonsai people, I believe a Japanese name would do best. But one that isn't too hard to remember. Everything that sounds Japanese gets extra street cred in bonsai, it appears.
Otherwise, you'd have to pick between a modern Americanized name. Like how a pink blooming flower might be called 'Pink Sensation'. Or 'Autumn Fire' for azaleas or maples. Which can be very corny, especially compared with a Japanese name. Ah, I see there is an acer cultivar even named 'Pink Lace', come on people! Or something that breathes more Germanic traditionalism. With even naming cultivars after local forests, mountains, rivers being an option. That will make it sound way more authentic.
'Arakawa Lace' maybe be an option because it immediately tells you why to buy this cultivar.
As for registering, with patents & trademarks, the official name of a cultivar is often just a few initials and a number. And the trademark is what is put on the label.
As for coming up with your own Japanese name, just pick two words you like for it and find the Japanese words for them. Nishiki Gawa for example just means 'brocade river'. If you translate Japanese names to English, they are just as corny, or even more so. You just find some combination that in Japanese rolls off the tongue well.
Van Son & Koot seem to be patenting acer cultivars in the Netherlands, though. Maybe you talked to them, or to Esveld. Since a commercial grower in the EU seems to be breeding and patenting Acer palmatum cultivars, it may be that yours has commercial value. Which may mean you don't want to just give it away. Especially if on your first or second contact, you notice immediate interest from them. But I guess for Japanese maples especially, for landscaping, the bark doesn't matter too much as you'd usually wouldn't even see it.
If this is your first try, as you make it a bit mysterious how you got this mix of traits, you might want to try again and see if you can get more, and maybe better, versions of the corkbark & laceleaf combination.
As for the name, of course everyone here wants to name it after you. But I guess you want a name that helps sell it. If you target bonsai people, I believe a Japanese name would do best. But one that isn't too hard to remember. Everything that sounds Japanese gets extra street cred in bonsai, it appears.
Otherwise, you'd have to pick between a modern Americanized name. Like how a pink blooming flower might be called 'Pink Sensation'. Or 'Autumn Fire' for azaleas or maples. Which can be very corny, especially compared with a Japanese name. Ah, I see there is an acer cultivar even named 'Pink Lace', come on people! Or something that breathes more Germanic traditionalism. With even naming cultivars after local forests, mountains, rivers being an option. That will make it sound way more authentic.
'Arakawa Lace' maybe be an option because it immediately tells you why to buy this cultivar.
As for registering, with patents & trademarks, the official name of a cultivar is often just a few initials and a number. And the trademark is what is put on the label.
As for coming up with your own Japanese name, just pick two words you like for it and find the Japanese words for them. Nishiki Gawa for example just means 'brocade river'. If you translate Japanese names to English, they are just as corny, or even more so. You just find some combination that in Japanese rolls off the tongue well.
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great post!! and ARAKAWA LACE sounds great as well to me.
This topic came to mind today and i thought BARK LACE is the only possible name. but yeah, Arakawa Lace
gives even directer assosications.
anyhow, if you sell the rights, the buyer might want to give it is own name
anyhow nr2...why do you care about the name at this stage??
come on, work on that biest and show what you can!! Lets see what the tree can. Take your time.
Make some videos about....this is truly an interessting topic.....get a lot of clicks and make your money that way.
This topic came to mind today and i thought BARK LACE is the only possible name. but yeah, Arakawa Lace
gives even directer assosications.
anyhow, if you sell the rights, the buyer might want to give it is own name
anyhow nr2...why do you care about the name at this stage??
come on, work on that biest and show what you can!! Lets see what the tree can. Take your time.
Make some videos about....this is truly an interessting topic.....get a lot of clicks and make your money that way.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
I prefer to get the variety out there. The money is of less importance to me.
But I would like have some form of claim on it first, so the next person does not run away with it.
Nothing mysterious! I have friends that grow a garden full of japanese maples and I have been growing seedlings from their arakawa. This one popped up and is a natural mixing of genes.
I think arakawa lace in some variety will be the direction.
But JellesBelles does have a ring
and when I introduce myself, it can be, yeah, the one from the Belles. Did not know about them.
Esveld maintains the japanese maple cultivar registry so I approached them, indeed. I still need to make my way to them to determine which other variety is most likely to have been the daddy.
