My Silverberry

Hartinez said:
Looking great for sure Dave. I will say though, I prefer your original planting angle. The movement from base to apex is more dynamic to my eye. I didn’t comment, but I felt the same way about your black pine in the other thread. I like to see the apex move your eye one way or another gracefully. Straight up down feels too vanilla for both of these phenomenal trees. Great stuff regardless.
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So, all bets are off until the leaves fall AND I get into the re-pot- I don't know what I'll find under the soil- but I'm hoping you might change your opinion of the proposed new planting angle... It will provide trunk movement to the right at the soil line that moves back to the left in the upper trunk. That, coupled with the main branch that moves to the left and strongly downward- a "dropped branch" perhaps ;)-that will hopefully offer a more dynamic image then what we have right now.
 
coh said:
Hard to tell from the photos but from looking at the leaves, it looks like Autumn or Russian olive (leaves don't look as leathery and as scale covered as the more typically used variety which I think is E. pungens). Autumn olive and Russian olive are spring bloomers while E. pungens blooms in fall. When it eventually blooms you'll know for certain. I have an E. pungens and it holds its leaves through winter, but I keep it above freezing. Not sure how well it would handle "gen pop" wintering conditions.

In any case, what a massive tree! Given the prices I've seen for silverberry material, you could probably buy a car with the proceeds if you decide to sell it after more development/refinement.
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I think Russian Olive leaves are more narrow and more grey silver in color while this one is quite green... still betting on E. umbellata... if it blooms this fall, all bets are off... again!
 
Dav4 said:
So, all bets are off until the leaves fall AND I get into the re-pot- I don't know what I'll find under the soil- but I'm hoping you might change your opinion of the proposed new planting angle... It will provide trunk movement to the right at the soil line that moves back to the left in the upper trunk. That, coupled with the main branch that moves to the left and strongly downward- a "dropped branch" perhaps ;)-that will hopefully offer a more dynamic image then what we have right now.
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Can’t wait to see the future Dave As I’m sure it’ll just get better and better! Def a tree I wish I had!
 
Elaeagnus multiflora & Elaeagnus umbellata are both native to Japan. I can not tell the difference between the two species, except umbellata is more winter hardy and multiflora is slightly less winter hardy. Both bloom in spring. I have E. umbellata on the farm, and have never seen the heavy plated bark that @Dav4 's tree has. I suspect his tree is E. multiflora. But I will leave it up to Dave to finalize the taxonomy. Both species are considered invasives in North America. Elaeagnus angustifolia - Russian olive, the foliage is significantly longer, more narrow than the leaves on this tree.

E. multiflora blooms in spring and fruit supposedly ripens quickly, by late July or into August, the E. umbellata flowers in spring and fruit ripens in Sept-October (at least on the farm) and fruit can hang well into winter if the birds don't eat all.
 
JudyB said:
Pretty good for a tree that just "fell off the back of a truck..." So amazing to see one of this size and stature.
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It's a very cool tree, but finding an appropriate pot is proving a bit difficult due to it's size. Ideally, I'd want a deeper cream colored oval... probable 22 inches wide and 4 inches tall. I've got one that's a smidge less then 3 inches tall. Worse case scenario is shoehorning it back into it's current pot at a different angle. It's not the worst pot for this one but I think there is a better one out there for it.
 
I dig cream pots, but wonder if the nice bark may overpower a cream color, making the composition top-heavy. Really nice tree, BTW, did you get flowers with the amazing fragrance this fall?
 
Brian Van Fleet said:
I dig cream pots, but wonder if the nice bark may overpower a cream color, making the composition top-heavy. Really nice tree, BTW, did you get flowers with the amazing fragrance this fall?
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Nope, no flowers yet. I suspect this one is a spring bloomer as Leo pointed out in his post above, and I pruned this one back hard last January after I acquired, and perhaps removed any flower buds. I'm planning on putting it next to my Ume in order to explain to them how things are supposed to work with "flowering" bonsai🤬. The pot choice for this one is definitely not clear cut. It's a flowering, deciduous species and the creamy oval choice is there by default, but that fat trunk with the craggy bark could absolutely compete with a more substantial pot. The current pot it's in might be the best fit... stay tuned:).
 
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