mulching with pine needles

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I'm wondering if anyone here tried mulching pine bonsai in training with pine needles. I know many growers of succulents and cacti usually use pine needles as a mulch to increase acidity of the growing medium. Mature trees sure seem to enjoy sitting in it. Has anyone tried using them in bonsai? are they at all suitable?
 
I'm wondering if anyone here tried mulching pine bonsai in training with pine needles. I know many growers of succulents and cacti usually use pine needles as a mulch to increase acidity of the growing medium. Mature trees sure seem to enjoy sitting in it. Has anyone tried using them in bonsai? are they at all suitable?
I like to encourage moss on the substrate.

Using the dropped foliage of any species as mulch of the same species can increase the chances of harboring disease.
 
Pine needles are great for acid loving plants.
By the way, most cactus and succulents are not.
 
If this weren't a myth, wouldn't every tree on earth be dead already?

Sorce
The bull did not delicate far from this post. Most Yamadori from the mountains are found growing in a pile of their own needles and duff.
 
If this weren't a myth, wouldn't every tree on earth be dead already?

Sorce
I think it depends on air circulation bad air circulation with outdoor mature pines might invite unwanted types of fungi that could transfer from the ground cover to the tree but overall I think its an evolutionary tactic from the trees to minimize competition from grass and weeds while continuously creating fertile ground for mycorrhizal fungi that the tree forms a symptomatic relationship with. My knowledge comes only from conservation of pines in the wild not in bonsai pot culture. In pot culture I imagine you would like to keep things fertile
 
Pine needles are great for acid loving plants.
By the way, most cactus and succulents are not.
I saw a semi commercial operation out here in the countryside. they grow them from seed in a plastic green house potted in crappy clay topsoil/sand mix and mulch with pine needles. I found it to be bizarre so I asked why and they told me to increase acidity. Anyway the jade I bought from them didnt have any needles on top but was planted in a tiny brick of cracked up clay (didnt look good but I wanted to help them out). Hopefully it will have time to repot it soon, maybe make a bonsai
 
Important to note, not believing a "myth" doesn't automatically mean bad horticultural practice should reign.

The true and absolute differences between the pot and the ground should always be considered.

It depends as always.

Dude A could find needles above his soil is beneficial.

Dude B could find needles above his soil harbors pests that kill completely different trees.

Dude... See?

Everything and Nothing. Always and Never!

Snorce
 
The true and absolute differences between the pot and the ground should always be considered.
and also the differences in climate and many other factors that can make our pot grown plants more or less susceptible to pest and disease.

It is always the 1 that was affected and died that you will remember. The other 4 or 5 that stayed healthy won't matter then.
 
Important to note, not believing a "myth" doesn't automatically mean bad horticultural practice should reign.

The true and absolute differences between the pot and the ground should always be considered.

It depends as always.

Dude A could find needles above his soil is beneficial.

Dude B could find needles above his soil harbors pests that kill completely different trees.

Dude... See?

Everything and Nothing. Always and Never!

Snorce
Making horticultural decisions is often about risk assessment.

Mulching pines with pine needles can only increase pest pressure (risk) with little to no reward that can’t be accomplished by less riskey means.

Comparing the myriad trophic layers in the wild is not super relevant to potted culture.

That is what integrated pest management is all about. Spraying pesticides can be riskey, but the pest is a known risk and causes a known damage at a certain threshold and the risk of crop loss becomes inevitable
 
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