Mugo Pine Quasi-Raft

Just reached the end where the only move left is with a chain saw. I hope to have the completed tree exhibited this evening. I posted this short video just to give you an idea of where this is headed and the amount of work it is going to take to finish it. I believe I am looking at a major hack; interested to see if any of you can catch it or even if you think it should be done? I hope this post get published this time. The last time it kind of disappeared into cyber land.

[video=youtube_share;55r1XCnRLto]http://youtu.be/55r1XCnRLto[/video]
 
With my untrained eye I can see somethings, but I don't have the cahones to comment on your work. I'm in awe and can't wait to see where you go. Lead on!
 
If you are going to exhibit that tonight I can see a pretty comprehensive thinning out of existing growth, the removal of a large branch on the left, the removal of the center lower branch on the right lower limb, the removal of the upper portion of the right lower, and the removal of the center of the clump on the lower portion of the top on the right side. A repot tilted to the left about an inch along with a nice fresh moss bed might also be in order :eek: I also understand it most likely looks different in person but that is what I see form the video. What time is the exhibit :confused:

Grimmy
 
If you are going to exhibit that tonight I can see a pretty comprehensive thinning out of existing growth, the removal of a large branch on the left, the removal of the center lower branch on the right lower limb, the removal of the upper portion of the right lower, and the removal of the center of the clump on the lower portion of the top on the right side. A repot tilted to the left about an inch along with a nice fresh moss bed might also be in order :eek: I also understand it most likely looks different in person but that is what I see form the video. What time is the exhibit :confused:

Grimmy

Dear Confused------So in other words you think the tree is crap and it would be best served with a chain saw at the base? That's fine if that's your opinion.
 
Dear Confused------So in other words you think the tree is crap and it would be best served with a chain saw at the base? That's fine if that's your opinion.

I think that is a Beautiful tree with an Even better tree hiding in it. And no Sir on the Chain saw. Just for exhibit I thought you might like it to have that "birds can fly in between the branches" look... You asked my opinion and as I said I cannot see it in person. I would love to own that Specimen for the record.

Grimmy
 
I think that is a Beautiful tree with an Even better tree hiding in it. And no Sir on the Chain saw. Just for exhibit I thought you might like it to have that "birds can fly in between the branches" look... You asked my opinion and as I said I cannot see it in person. I would love to own that Specimen for the record.

Grimmy

I'm sorry you misinterpreted what I was saying. I am not going to exhibit this tree tonight anywhere else but here until this weekend, then I am not sure. And you are right there is a lot more thinning left todo.
 
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I'm sorry you misinterpreted what I was saying. I am not going to exhibit this tree tonight anywhere else but here until this weekend, then I am not sure.

And I think you took what "I can see via video" a little harsh. What I do see is a beautiful tree but "I feel" thinning it out a bit would accentuate the grace and make its really nice growth visible. You did ask for opinions *shrugs*. I still have tree envy anyways :p

Grimmy
 
And I think you took what "I can see via video" a little harsh. What I do see is a beautiful tree but "I feel" thinning it out a bit would accentuate the grace and make its really nice growth visible. You did ask for opinions *shrugs*. I still have tree envy anyways :p

Grimmy

I did ask for opinions and that's fine. The details of your opinion seemed to read much more severe than you apparently intended. No problem my bad.
 
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I recently watched a video of the 2014 BSF Convention and your tree would have put most of them to shame. With that, you stated you wanted to use a chain saw on your tree so I took that as a challenge to find what could possibly be irritating you with it and since I’m not experienced enough to offer a critique I’ll ask a question. After studying your most recent video a bit one thing seems to stand out from my view. I’m not sure if it’s called the main branch but the branch with the apex doesn’t seem to flow with the rest. While it is slanted, it’s also rather straight or stiff in comparison. I’m not stating that as “wrong” but it’s the only inconsistency I see. Is it in keeping with the "Quasi-Raft" style of the tree and what we would find in nature? This tree is such an inspiration so I appreciate you setting me straight as it will help greatly while “attempting” to style my own trees. Thanks!
 
I recently watched a video of the 2014 BSF Convention and your tree would have put most of them to shame. With that, you stated you wanted to use a chain saw on your tree so I took that as a challenge to find what could possibly be irritating you with it and since I’m not experienced enough to offer a critique I’ll ask a question. After studying your most recent video a bit one thing seems to stand out from my view. I’m not sure if it’s called the main branch but the branch with the apex doesn’t seem to flow with the rest. While it is slanted, it’s also rather straight or stiff in comparison. I’m not stating that as “wrong” but it’s the only inconsistency I see. Is it in keeping with the "Quasi-Raft" style of the tree and what we would find in nature? This tree is such an inspiration so I appreciate you setting me straight as it will help greatly while “attempting” to style my own trees. Thanks!

My remark about the chain saw was sarcasm. As to the comment about the BSF convention???? WOW that's something----thanks for the comparison. I hope to get this done today buy it has been raining since right after my last set of remarks and there is still a bunch to do.
 
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I found my cahones, my wife had them in her purse. Let me just blurt out what I think and you can kick my butt if you want.

I also get a pause at the bottom of the apex. Everything is flowy up to there and then it rises like an elevator to the top floor. Those three branches on the right, I want take out the middle one. Too many branches in that left hand pocket? I kept stopping the vid to try to see what and how to open it up for a bit of see through, but it's real hard without sticking your hand in there. I can't see if some twig removal will do or if there's a branch to cut back on or out.

It is so exciting to see a tree develop this way! Please forgive my nieve opinions, but I am one of those people who at times needs to hear me say something outloud. Some things think better than they sound.

I would ask a favor, bold as that may be, as long as I've got my butt out on the line.

Would you change the header on your website? Come on man! If these are crappy bonsai, where does that leave me to go? What can I hope for? I hope I at least made you laugh, it aint much, but it's all I got, Rick
 
I gotta' hand it to Vin.It was after that post about the apex that I was actually able to really give any critique.
If you may be considering hacking something I am going with it being somewhere in the apex ,as it does not mirror the flow of the trunk like the rest of the tree convincingly does ,in my eye.Somewhere in the very top of the apex.
 
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Hope all is well - thought we would see your new work by now. Beautiful I bet!

Grimmy
 
Vance, could we possibly see a close-up of the base of this tree?

If you check out the first video of this tree there is a close up of the base. I may get a new one up latter tonight but most likely tomorrow if I am still around here.
 
Got it. Thanks, Vance. I was just curious how the base of the tree and low branches spread out.

I like the video progression. We can see how the tree changes after each session. If at some point in the future it is possible, I'm sure we'd all love to see how you actually work on the tree.
 
Vance, just caught this thread today... been gone for a while.
Still not sure I actually even want to come here and be involved with B-Nut,
anymore, but that is a different story... Was reading your thread and watching
your vids and thought I would comment for what it is worth on your tree, because
I think you have done an awesome job.

Having said this, I would critique your tree with the following...
I too agree that a tree should when possible look good from both the back
as well as the front. However, this is not a requirement, and often you will here
folks like Bjorn talk about world class trees in Japan being displayed with a bald
back, where the tree has obviously been wired as to be viewed from one direction.

Now, with this said... the problem I have often found with trying to work a tree from
multiple views, is that one often ends up with kinda mush. Where to much attention
is paid to being viewed from all sides at the expense of having a really awesome side.

For me... your tree is the case in point, Sorry. Yes, it is an awesome tree... but in my
opinion, it needs to have a decision made over what you are trying to show us, and a
definitive front. My reason for saying this is that I see a lot of wired branches that seem
to be wired in a direction that does not really suit the front or the back of the tree. From
either direction, they seem to not engage the viewer, and bring them into the tree.
Now don't get mad at me for saying this, I am only trying to offer you a sincere critique.

For me personally, I think if one ask oneself from which direction does the tree pose the
the most interesting features, that I would want to be front in center when displaying...
I would have to say what appears to be the back of your tree as you have it now. Reason
being... without that low, ground hugging branch your tree would resemble almost every
other pine bonsai. This is what makes it unique, setting it apart, and giving the whole tree
character.

It also has great interaction between it and the apex of your tree, creating a very nice line
for one's eye to travel, with both directions pointing in back towards the center of the tree.
Viewed from the other direction, your eye does not easily pick up this simple, but powerful
movement, because it is hidden by the soil. So, instead... my eyes are left wandering...

There have been scientific studies done on human thought, that have concluded that if
a human's interest isn't reached within the first 10 to 15 seconds, they actually will lose
interest in what they are viewing all together. Now, with that said... this doesn't mean
that your tree can't and shouldn't have layers and depth... quite the contrary, because if
someone's interest is peaked, and they come over to look at your tree, and what they saw
from a distance is all that there, they will leave just as fast... But, a well designed tree should
be understandable and easily read from a distance, but when viewed from close up, want to
make the viewer keep looking at the tree...

Just my 2 cents... The apex foliage, then would continue this line, actually pointing down
towards the bottom trunk. The real heavy branch on the right of the apex trunk itself, needs to
be brought down. At the moment it seems to be pointing up.
Whether or not you take any of this into consideration, keep up the good work !!! :)
 
I appreciate the honest critique on the tree. I agree that it is conceivable that in an attempt to make the tree look good all the way around the tree holds possibilities for mixed messages. However I have seen enough good trees that could be better if treated 360*.
 
Got it. Thanks, Vance. I was just curious how the base of the tree and low branches spread out.

I like the video progression. We can see how the tree changes after each session. If at some point in the future it is possible, I'm sure we'd all love to see how you actually work on the tree.

This one would have been an epic like Gone with cutting the wind. It might be possible with a smaller tree, we have seen Potter do it enough but he has some pretty decent people producing his videos, I find it hard to believe he does it all by himself. I really would like to pull that one off.
 
This one would have been an epic like Gone with cutting the wind. It might be possible with a smaller tree, we have seen Potter do it enough but he has some pretty decent people producing his videos, I find it hard to believe he does it all by himself. I really would like to pull that one off.
I'm sure you're right about that. The lighting, sound, etc are all top notch.
 
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