Maple Cuttings propagation Oxyclone?

[StreamGrove]

I cant help with clones and all that, but I can keep you from getting trapped in the “japan climate” box because I also made that mistake.

Gotcha thanks for the heads up with that!

 

[StreamGrove]

if u are curious...I am getting callousing at 5 days.

While I am waiting for my equipment to arrive I am doing a little experiment with a hardwood wisteria cutting in water with the KLN dyno-grow. There seems to be a hazy aura in the water around the stem at the cut marks. Is this part of the plants process at making roots before callousing?

 

[cmeg1]

While I am waiting for my equipment to arrive I am doing a little experiment with a hardwood wisteria cutting in water with the KLN dyno-grow. There seems to be a hazy aura in the water around the stem at the cut marks. Is this part of the plants process at making roots before callousing?

Not really sure.After I seen callousing,I squirted a very concentrated mixture of humic and Fulvic acids W/ kelp onto the stem with a dropper and then root nubs look to be forming.I may put a more dilute mixture at start next batch....actually recommended from whom I learnt hydro.
can see difference between callous and root nubs.Good youtube videos too,even side by side comparisons...all weed though...search best cloner nutrient.....
I also got a new toy with a dome to help with transpiration and not using my tent.
If I can keep leaves turgid,I should get great results.......maybe not keep light so close either as in the article above.
here are pictures from just now and my new toy.

 

[cmeg1]

I’m a believer in the humic and Fulvic acids with kelp,but definately need the clear Rez or will definately get slime.....even without organic...get u some

I believe I can really bump up the results with more turgid leaves ,a little less light maybe a tad more clonex along with some humic and Fulvic acids with some kelp diluted in with the clonex.
Lots of people say no organics in your cloners but my teacher Harley Smith advocates the use of them I think as long as you add some clear rez you won’t get no crazy build ups.
I like the dip& grow as a dip because I can do long 20 minute dips and then the water keeps them from burning and to the water I will add a little KLN or other rooting agent but I heard it’s very important to add minerals also with your KLN

 

[cmeg1]

Another article...... After research and trying with straight water and just kln and in the past .........I’ve decided this guys info is spot on especially with comparing videos recent YouTube videos.
i’m a believer of slightly higher heat too but you got to use some Clear Rez or equivalent.

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[StreamGrove]

Cool thanks for the info I will check it out! Does the new cloner with the dome you got have just one fan blowing in, or is there also an exhaust fan?

 

[cmeg1]

Cool thanks for the info I will check it out! Does the new cloner with the dome you got have just one fan blowing in, or is there also an exhaust fan?

Im not sure...it apparently blows air into the cloner and under the cloner.

 

[Arlithrien]

Ok ,so I have an aeroponic cloner...King clone.
I never had much luck although I did see callous on hard to root varieties.
So I watched my Harley Smith video and he seems to incline towards a really non fussy approach concerning the water in the cloner...it being a diluted mix of humic,fulvic,and kelp.A more organic approach.
I decided no to do the organic thing ,so no buildup in my clone like cloged tips and such.
I looked at an article online about aeroponic cloner secrets.They state that a low ec of nutrients increases rooting time and bulk.And also rooting hormones.And also using a solution cleaner throughout process so you can run higher temps and keep the pump on 24/7.I read alot of people putting the pumps on cycle timers,but this author states better succes with higher temps.The pump will heat the water so be careful.
I used some zelkova from a couple of my ugly duckling trees,but good qualities non-the-less with very short internodes and good health.They have excellent vascular systems and are very high brix.
I never really over fed,but in future I will feed motherplant formulas.
I want this to work because humidity shock is a real set back when bringing out of a propogator,eapecially finiky species.
I also like the idea if propogating select ,very good performing trees to develop and sell as I have a small business.Good growers use seed and cuttings and choose overachieving specimins to propogate...as which I do have a few that are performing pheonominally!!
I feel good about this as a good vascular system helps consideralbly with cuttings.These have much increased calcium uptake theough use of L Glycine and L Glutamic Amino acids.If not thousands of times more than your average plant.
The author also advocates running t5 lights much closer to canopy of cuttings ...even a 4-8 light fixture.I am using 3.

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What traits are you generally selecting for? Vigor? Growth rate?

 

[StreamGrove]

Im not sure...it apparently blows air into the cloner and under the cloner.

Gotcha, I'm going to add a waterproof fan to the fogponics setup, your pic gave me a good idea where to put it, thank you for sharing. Those pics of your cuttings callousing are impressive!

 

[StreamGrove]

Got all my equipment yesterday, will be setting up today and hopefully have some pics to share tonight. Going to experiment with some summerwine wisteria cuttings I just got. Will probably wait until late June for the Maple cutting experiment. Planning on adding some corkscrew willows to perhaps enhance the rooting process.

 

[StreamGrove]

Took some time to get it all setup. Fogponic and fan, and then the spray mister areoponic. Used KLN and Clonex. I was going to wait to do the maples but it was just too tempting.

After watching it for a couple of days, the darker leaf maples especially the purple ghost is not a happy camper. Leaves are curling after 24hours. So I raised the light and still they are not happy, even with higher humidity and spraying. It is interesting that the Emperor 1 is not doing the leaf curl as a dark leaf and is behaving like the green leaf cuttings.

The majority of the green leafs are arakawa, Jprincess, and a few other rares. I had a few JPs wilt really hard when spring rolled in so I took some cuttings in hopes to save the species, we shall see. Im interested to see how they react to the process.

The willows I added are showing buds just after 2 days...crazy. I added a little bit of everything from my bonsai collection.( the hardwood cuttings in the back are blue moon wisteria Im attempting to save as the mother tree has some root damage)

 

[StreamGrove]

removed some of the maples that I thought were damaged from wilt as they might actually have a fungus problem.

 

[cmeg1]

I’m getting heavy callou and no roots yet.So I am cycling my pump a couple days for 15min on and 45 min off to see if that helps....If not I will change water with a different recipe or just no rooting hormone...the hormone maybe over doing it.
New recipe said. Super thrive,Clonex,Hygrozyme and Great white....guy on YouTube gets roots in 4 days

 

[StreamGrove]

Is the youtuber doing trees? Might just be how trees are with the heavy callou prior to roots?
So today even some of the green arakawas had leaf curl, im thinking it was from spraymisting the leafs and the light scorched them. No more spray misting for me. Might even be the trace amounts of fog being released from gaps in the collar. I swaped out the areoponics mister manafold for a single hydro fogger. The pump was loud and annoying and think I might use it for a back yard project.

 

[StreamGrove]

@cmeg1 how long are your lights on ? 24/7?

 

[cmeg1]

@cmeg1 how long are your lights on ? 24/7?

Yes.....24/7

I changed the reservoir with different approach on products used.Tons of callous,but no roots.I attributed that to the hormone in the water.Kind of like double dipping a clone does not help after callousing.
So I saw a guy on YouTube get roots in 4 days,so here are his products and formula....ph’d to 5.9.
I know this can be done......I had roots on Zelkova in 6 days from air layer!
Nice experimental thread really

 

[StreamGrove]

Bummer the maple cuttings are pretty much falling apart, kind of expected. They are just too delicate. I see now why there's really no info on doing this vs grafting for maples. Even if these things did root these exotic subspecies might really struggle health wise, don't really want to put a plant through that. I see now why grafting is not only more productive but also in kindness to the plant to have a better life.

The wisteria and curled willow is seriously loving the fogponics though. Those wisteria hard cuttings are already producing green buds

 

[cmeg1]

Bummer the maple cuttings are pretty much falling apart, kind of expected. They are just too delicate. I see now why there's really no info on doing this vs grafting for maples. Even if these things did root these exotic subspecies might really struggle health wise, don't really want to put a plant through that. I see now why grafting is not only more productive but also in kindness to the plant to have a better life.

The wisteria and curled willow is seriously loving the fogponics though. Those wisteria hard cuttings are already producing green buds

We shall see. Here is the new setup from the formula above.The Author of the video uses Clonex gel.I used dip & grow.
keep at it.....it can be done.I am going to experiment with slightly softer wood since I can utilize the dome.My grow room is air conditioned to keep wall from condensation,so the reservoir temps should be good.At any rate there is a fan to move air in and around the cuttings in the cloner...either removing or blowing in...not sure yet...just a little baffle on the side.Probably drawing outward.
I took three heavily calloused clones from the old cloner and put in the turbo klone today.With new formula.

 

[cmeg1]

update ......getting roots with new recipe.

next batch will be better prepared...was a first run.
dip& grow 20% strength....5-10 minutes.
going to adjust ph regularly and hopefully these really root now.Water is at 71f and around 70-80% humidity in the dome.as they root I will lower humidity and then will not shock.

 

[StreamGrove]

sweet! That was super fast. Nice! My wisteria are getting there...starting to root a bit, might speed up after leaves pop