Maiden's Cork Oak

Maiden69

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Well, payment was sent today, tree will be on its way to sunny Hill Country Texas on Monday. Thanks @Housguy for all the help. After looking at a few pictures I was sent, I decided on what looks like a very nice start to a double trunk tree. This one will go into a Root Pouch pot-in-pot in spring as soon as I can do the transplant and will be developed that way for a few years. I thought about planting in the grow bed, but since we've been getting this freak ice storms yearly (at least for the last 3 years) I don't want to risk loosing it and it will be moved into the unheated garage in the event of a storm.

Let the wait begin...

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Looking forward to the progression updates on this tree, thanks Maiden69!
 
This is going to be a VERY LONG DAY!

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I just ordered one from him a few days ago as well! should be home by the time I leave work! But now I can't work because I can't wait! lmao
He's very good at selecting the tree you want and good online presence and professionalism.
 
Came home as soon as I could to notice that the UPS guy didn't know how to read... I mean red arrows indicating UP, lettering stating KEEP UPRIGHT on multiple places, and nooo, what does the ID10T do? Set it on the side.

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Thankfully, Guy did a great job packaging it... man how I hate peanuts, but they do the job well.

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I'm glad the tree had enough roots that the substrate didn't go flying all over the box.

There is a lot of new growth so I'm going to place it for a few days under the 50% shade and set up a water line for it. Plenty of ramification to work with in the next few years, I think this will be my first tree to get to decent bonsai status, as all my other ones are still in teh baby steps of development.

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There is a lot of new growth so I'm going to place it for a few days under the 50% shade and set up a water line for it. Plenty of ramification to work with in the next few years, I think this will be my first tree to get to decent bonsai status, as all my other ones are still in teh baby steps of development.
Don't forget - this is a Mediterranean species. Make sure you don't over-water. Treat it like an olive. They like it hot... they like it dry. Not bone dry... but stay away from loamy soil and wet conditions.

Several learnings from working with these trees for about 15 years:
In the right season, they will suffer incredible indignities, and will bud back profusely. Just make sure you do your work in the late spring/early summer. I have completely defoliated these trees twice in a summer, and they didn't care. Just don't do the heavy work in the late Fall - early Spring. Even though they are evergreen they will be dormant and will not respond to your work for months.
They are the most apically dominant species I have ever worked with. If you want to keep your lower foliage you have to beat on the top of the tree constantly.
Do not underestimate the ability for these trees to cork up. I know that is the name, but usually in bonsai you plan your design based on the hope that the tree might get thicker. With these trees you need to design for thickness... and hope the tree stays thinner. Your fine upper trunk will suddenly get too thick and destroy your taper, leaving you with a chunky apex. Secondary branches will cork up and get too thick so that you need to remove them. Keep this in mind...

Otherwise have a great time. I love this species! And FWIW they lived through our last cold winter here in NC without an issue... as did all my olives.
 
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Don't forget - this is a Mediterranean species. Make sure you don't over-water. Treat it like an olive. They like it hot... they like it dry. Not bone dry... but stay away from loamy soil and wet conditions.
So in this case once the tree goes into a pot, a 1:1 akadama - pumice will be ok if I am watering on an automated system and can't be there to check on the tree? I have never worked with a Mediterranean species, so this will be a completely new experience. Right now I am watering everything 3 times a day, but will soon move to twice with the temps going down. Almost everything except the trees in pots are on Monto Clay/Bonsai Block from Bonsai Jack, the 2 potted trees are in 100% akadama.

I plan on moving this one to a shallow but slightly large root pouch to further develop the nebari (I've seen great results so far, so I'm definitely going to try it) and was planning on using the same Monto Clay/Bonsai Block, but if the tree needs to be on the drier side I think probably 1:1:1 or 1:1:2 adding pumice at the end.

I will move it out of the shade as soon as I see those bright green shoots get some color.

Several learnings from working with these trees for about 15 years:
In the right season, they will suffer incredible indignities, and will bud back profusely. Just make sure you do your work in the late spring/early summer. I have completely defoliated these trees twice in a summer, and they didn't care. Just don't do the heavy work in the late Fall - early Spring. Even though they are evergreen they will be dormant and will not respond to your work for months.

Ok, no work late winter / early spring, wait till after post flush late spring and I guess till the summer solstice? Mirai worked on their cork on late summer, would that be the latest you would recommend? They did it in August in OR, I guess September as the latest here in TX?

When you defoliate this tree, do you pull leaves as in a maple, or cut the petiole off as on a ficus?

They are the most apically dominant species I have ever worked with. If you want to keep your lower foliage you have to beat on the top of the tree constantly.

I guess this would be a great candidate to do Walter Pall's hedge pruning on the upper canopy, selecting branches afterwards?

Do not underestimate the ability for these trees to cork up. I know that is the name, but usually in bonsai you plan your design based on the hope that the tree might get thicker. With these trees you need to design for thickness... and hope the tree stays thinner. Your fine upper trunk will suddenly get too thick and destroy your taper, leaving you with a chunky apex. Secondary branches will cork up and get too thick so that you need to remove them. Keep this in mind...
This statement threw a wrench at my proposed design. I knew they cork fast from Brent's website, but I guess I didn't picture it in my mind. I was planning on doing a twin trunk, but if they cork up that fast, that means that the little negative space that I have now will be gone in no time once I move it to a pouch. Maybe start wedging them apart to increase the space in time.

Otherwise have a great time. I love this species! And FWIW they lived through our last cold winter here in NC without an issue... as did all my olives.
Where they outside all the time? Our winter is mild, but the last 3 years we had a snow/ice storm early-mid February, I lost 3 BC's that were very hardy here, so I definitely don't want to lose this one.

@Housguy how do you water these trees at your location? Drip system, or by hand? I am using Primerus Spot Spitters, most of my trees I have with a Green (13.2 GPH) or Black (17.4 GPH) running 5 minutes 3 times a day. Since Bnut mentioned that they like to be on the dry side I moved down to a Light Green (7.2 GPH) at the same rate. I think with your soil mix I may have to set a completely separate zone for this tree and water it maybe only once, until I move it into my mix, since it drains faster and holds less water.

I am also trying to "engineer" a system using a 1/4" soaker attached to Primerus new Pot Dripper Stakes. Instead of using their drip line I plan on attaching a dripper valve on the supply side with the soaker zip tied in a ring, that way I can control the amount of water it feeds. I think this would be the "ultimate" system for tees in pots, as I can get water distributed evenly, vs the Spitter where it would be concentrated where the water hits the soil.

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A few Questions

Repotting -
Can this species take bare rooting? And if so, when would it be ideal? Given that they don't like to be worked early spring?

Wiring - When do you guys do this work? I'm guessing late summer, or at the same time you'll do pruning late spring - summer?

Pot - Since this tree is at a stage that I think I can start refining in 2 years once I transition from organic soil to inorganic, what kind of pot would be best? I guess the shape depends on the silhouette and movement, but as far as color? glazed - unglazed? I have a few rounds that would work with this tree size, and maybe one or two ovals. No rectangles this big at all, so I would like to start shopping or possibly commissioning a pot for it.
 
Where they outside all the time?
Yes
how do you water these trees at your location?
By hand and from our experience they do like water as long as you have good draining soil. The soil in that container came from the nursery we picked it up from, it is not our preferred mix, but it works for them. We will transplant the rest of the ones we have this winter into our preferred soil for all our pre bonsai trees, which is 1 part pumice, 1 part lava rock and 1 part succulent soil. They can dry out a little, but make sure the soil always has some moisture level, completely dried out trees usually die, that is how I lose some of them here when I miss watering or don't water enough. We have some on drip lines at my father's house and those do fine as well as long as the drippers don't malfunction.
Can this species take bare rooting?
They can take a huge root cut for sure; we have cut monster root balls in half and tree didn't miss a beat, but I have never fully bare rooted on a transplant. Not that it couldn't handle it, just never had done it. Winter is a primary time we do a lot transplanting for our corks, but we have transplanted in other seasons as well, with no setback or death, they are pretty tough trees as long as you keep them happy.
When do you guys do this work?
I am working on these trees year-round, so I actually wire when I need to, there is no special time for that, but when you do wire a cork oak, watch it closely, this tree swells fast, and you can get wire marks easily. Good thing though with wire marks on this species, they disappear with the corking which is nice!
what kind of pot would be best?
It is definitely a personal preference in what pot would work best for your tree, but that being said, they are very strong looking trees and I usually put them in unglazed strong looking pots.
 
Thanks @Housguy I think I will probably set this one on a single watering in the morning, then check when I get home if it needs more until I can repot it in spring. I also noticed the apex on the bigger trunk is wired, will keep an eye for that as well.

I was doing some research and noticed that Jonas has quite a few blog entries on cork oak, for those of us getting into the species now.
 
I have 1 that is in bonsai jack organic soil. I water it one and sometime twice daily. Their leave are thick so you will not see when it wilt like other trees. I say water accordingly depends on the temperature. For the time being, one a day will be fine. Also if you grow it under the mulch like you have with other trees than one a day in the morning should be good. With the open soil mix, I see no issue with water once or twice a day. I haven't kill an oak by overwater yet.
 
I also have mine in bonsai jack organic soil, and water it once a day. I skipped watering for a few days this summer (MI didn't have a hot summer) & I noticed the new growth was wilting a bit so now I water once a day if needed. Mine also likes Super Iron 9-9-9. I haven't done much work on it this year as I just wanted to learn about it and keep it alive.
 
Here are my corked oaks. The first one I bought off of ebay 6 or 7 years ago. I remember it was 150 at that time. After recieving it... I thought it was a bad deal. I repotted it a year or two after got it. I really like it a lot now.
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I like it so much that I bought a few more seedlings a few years after that. These are probably 4 years since I bought them.
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That's a nice one @namnhi , from all the searches I have done it seems that the most important thing to do this this ones if to get the roots in check early. I noticed on pics online that they tend to produce a few very heavy roots if left unchecked.

I think that once I place it into my inorganic mix, watering a few times a day wouldn't be detrimental to the tree, as there will be no water log in the soil as I don't use organic fertilizer at this moment. The water flows freely, which will allow for maximum aeration of the roots.

I will have to change my watering zones for next year, moving this one with the conifers and evaluate how it does there. Hopefully that will work with it. Weird though, I am watering all my JBP and junipers 3 times a day and they are growing like beasts... contraire to what everything I heard online.

I fertilized this tree early morning on Saturday, and it started pushing new growth all over the tree and the new growth from when it arrived is already turning dark green. I also moved it into more sun away from the shade cloth.
 
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