Last (ever?) Mirai Tree Sale

Interesting to see that conifers are less sought after/popular than deciduous trees and azalea...
Like most auctions, all the action will be in the final minutes. There is no point in bidding days before the deadline - you just drum up interest. It will be interesting to see if the final prices bear any resemblance to what is now shown.
 
Like most auctions, all the action will be in the final minutes. There is no point in bidding days before the deadline - you just drum up interest. It will be interesting to see if the final prices bear any resemblance to what is now shown.
Some of us wanted to pretend that we could afford a really nice trident maple for a whole six minutes
 
Some of us wanted to pretend that we could afford a really nice trident maple for a whole six minutes
These trees will attract a lot of attention. Whether they are worth the final price or not is personal opinion. Some people will place a premium on the fact that Ryan worked on them. That said, there are a lot of trident maples out there. Once you start talking about prices north of $1000, you can buy a lot of tree.
 
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These trees will attract a lot of attention. Whether they are worth the final price or not is up to opinion. Some people will place a premium on the fact that Ryan worked on them. That said, there are a lot of trident maples out there. Once you start talking about prices north of $1000, you can buy a lot of tree.
I put a premium on Suthin Sukosolvisit working on it, but not that much of a premium. Bonsai prices in the Midwest are very different from prices in California wich means these online auctions are tough for us.
 
Interesting to see that conifers are less sought after/popular than deciduous trees and azalea...
I don't think it's popularity. It's the quality of the conifers. Don't get me wrong, both are nice, but they're not as fine or (refined) as the hornbeam, maple and satsuki.
I agree with rockm here, but what I think its interesting is that the shift Ryan made a few years back from heavy conifer biased work to deciduous/broad leaf trees is actually showing on the material out of Mirai.
 
Bonsai prices in the Midwest are very different from prices in California wich means these online auctions are tough for us.
I actually found that prices for bonsai were lower on the West Coast than they were in the Midwest. There was just a ton more supply and a lot of options to shop around. Of course, the market for trees in the $10K+ range is very limited anywhere. Ask most bonsai nurseries how many trees they have for sale, today, in the $10K+ range.
 
No problem. Still plenty of time left; will be curious to see the final hours - but the azalea shot up close to Mirai's "market value" price.

Today:

Trident @ $4,100.00
(Mirai's) Listed market value: $15,500

Spruce @ $2,850.00
(Mirai's) Listed market value: $9,200

Hornbeam @ $4,550.00
(Mirai's) Listed market value: $11,500

Ponderosa @ $2,600.00
(Mirai's) Listed market value: $14,200

Satsuki @ $9,150.00
(Mirai's) Listed market value: $9,600
Thank you again, it is very intersting to see that "market values". Maybe there is a "Ryan Neil" effect on the prices, but, from what I see in Europe, overall, on average, the prices of yamadori & Japanese imports are less expensive. 🧐
 
I don't think it's popularity. It's the quality of the conifers. Don't get me wrong, both are nice, but they're not as fine or (refined) as the hornbeam, maple and satsuki.
I agree on the different "refinement stages" but it is difficult to see the fine ramification/structure/scars of the trident maple and hornbeam, because of the leaves.

Just a matter of taste, but I prefer by far the spruce or the pine in my collection than the trident maple, for example.

Perhaps also the ease of cultivation also plays a role in the attractiveness : it is easier to keep a maple tree alive than a pine tree, from my personal experience 😅
 
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but, from what I see in Europe, overall, on average, the prices of yamadori & Japanese imports are less expensive.
I thought so too. but then I loko at one of the top quality importers in my region and sort their collection by value, and their top trees also move in the same value range, and are judging from simple pictures, certainly not better

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I thought so too. but then I loko at one of the top quality importers in my region and sort their collection by value, and their top trees also move in the same value range, and are judging from simple pictures, certainly not better

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yes, it depends on pro sellers too. Bonsai plaza or Hiryu-en nursery are very expensive.

But, sometimes, you can find good material on Laos Garden and Kingii..
For exemple, actually, on Kingii, i consider that those 2 sabina juniper are quite good in term of easthétics and price to value ->
I made avirtual for the last one, that I considered buying ->
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Speaking of price comparisons in Europe and the US. This massive Beech was bought for under £1000 from Greenwoods bonsai, it was recently shared on FB. I think most would be happy to have this on their benches. Seems a very reasonable price.

Still, I do think its a bit of a gamble when buying deciduous trees in leaf, online.499552059_10161589157073786_5123321629892201334_n.jpg
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I wonder if you have to put in. your credit card numbers before you bid ...Because there's always non paying bidders ....Like on Ebay and FB auctions.
 
I wonder if you have to put in. your credit card numbers before you bid ...Because there's always non paying bidders ....Like on Ebay and FB auctions.
Facebook has auctions like ebay? Are they generally better than ebay?
 
Facebook has auctions like ebay? Are they generally better than ebay?
Im not on fb but I have friends that buys and sells bonsai on there...I think first you have to get accepted into the auction group before you can view the auctions....I believe the trees there are better than eBay. Maybe other members on here can chime in.
 
I agree on the different "refinement stages" but it is difficult to see the fine ramification/structure/scars of the trident maple and hornbeam, because of the leaves.

Just a matter of taste, but I prefer by far the spruce or the pine in my collection than the trident maple, for example.

Perhaps also the ease of cultivation also plays a role in the attractiveness : it is easier to keep a maple tree alive than a pine tree, from my personal experience 😅

Agreed. I prefer the conifers also, but it is pretty clear that the deciduous trees have been bonsai much longer. For example, the spruce is awesome but it’s only been wired for a few years, compared to the satsuki which has been pruned for probably 20 years, at least. I think that is where the difference in value lies. But we will see by the end of the weekend! 😃
 
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