Japanese maple species help

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Hello! My local store has some Japanese Maples and the signs don't say the species of the tree. If anybody has some knowledge on which types these are and if they're good for bonsai I would be very thankful.

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Not so easy. First one is maybe bloodgood. Third looks like butterfly.
 
Hello! My local store has some Japanese Maples and the signs don't say the species of the tree. If anybody has some knowledge on which types these are and if they're good for bonsai I would be very thankful.

Here are some pictures:

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Not so easy. First one is maybe bloodgood. Third looks like butterfly.

Wait a second. Are we talking about species or cultivar? If we're talking about species, all of the pictured plants are the same species, Acer palmatum. If we're talking about cultivars, then they are what the label says they are. If there is no label, then they are not a named cultivar.
 
Wait a second. Are we talking about species or cultivar? If we're talking about species, all of the pictured plants are the same species, Acer palmatum. If we're talking about cultivars, then they are what the label says they are. If there is no label, then they are not a named cultivar.
Ohh okey, thankyou. I was very confused with the cultivar names I thought they were made up for the store since I couldn't find much when I Googled them. My bad, thanks. 🙏
 
Wait a second. Are we talking about species or cultivar? If we're talking about species, all of the pictured plants are the same species, Acer palmatum. If we're talking about cultivars, then they are what the label says they are. If there is no label, then they are not a named cultivar.
I agree and amend my response that they “look like” the cultivars I named, but if not labelled they are plain vanilla.
 
I agree and amend my response that they “look like” the cultivars I named, but if not labelled they are plain vanilla.
You are correct about butterfly. It's name was acer palmatum "Butterfly" but some had names that sounded too Swedish to be japanese maples so I didn't trust it hahah but now I know to believe them. 🙏
 
Wait a second. Are we talking about species or cultivar? If we're talking about species, all of the pictured plants are the same species, Acer palmatum. If we're talking about cultivars, then they are what the label says they are. If there is no label, then they are not a named cultivar.
I would contest this slightly. They clearly are cultivars, but without a tag we can’t say which cultivars. If we’re being pedantic we could say you are also correct because they could be mutations from seed that haven’t been named at all, in which case yes they wouldn’t be named cultivars but just interesting mutations. But I agree in principle with what you’re saying, they are only what the tags say, if not tagged then they need to just be called Japanese maples.
 
You are correct about butterfly. It's name was acer palmatum "Butterfly" but some had names that sounded too Swedish to be japanese maples so I didn't trust it hahah but now I know to believe them. 🙏
What were the other names the nursery had them tagged as?
 
What were the other names the nursery had them tagged as?
They had a few; 'Anne Irene' 'Going Green' 'Orange Dream' 'Atropurpureum' 'Skeeters Bloom' 'Garnet'. There was some more I forgot. But the going green had the smallest leaves of those.

They also had a 'Little Princess' but the plant was too expensive otherwise I would have got it, it was big and the trunk was big, and had many chances for an airlayer. The leaves were the smallest.
 
They had a few; 'Anne Irene' 'Going Green' 'Orange Dream' 'Atropurpureum' 'Skeeters Bloom' 'Garnet'. There was some more I forgot. But the going green had the smallest leaves of those.

They also had a 'Little Princess' but the plant was too expensive otherwise I would have got it, it was big and the trunk was big, and had many chances for an airlayer. The leaves were the smallest.
Never heard of “going green”
Atropurpureum is a cultivar of Red leaf JM
@AlainK has “little princess”, it’s also known as 'Mapi-no Machi hime' in Japan. There is also the kuro hime linked below.

Hope this helps😉
 
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Never heard of “going green”
Atropurpureum is a cultivar of Red leaf JM
@AlainK has “little princess”, it’s also known as 'Mapi-no Machi hime' in Japan. There is also the kuro hime linked below.

Hope this helps😉
Thankyou! 😁🙏
 
Little Princess was expensive because it takes a very long time to grow. Growth rate is definitely something to consider when choosing a maple. If it's a slow grower it takes longer to develop and will heal more slowly and perhaps be more finiky. Too fast maybe hard to control. Big leaves especially red are harder to shrink to scale.
Most will advise to start with plain green Japanese Maple. It's a hardy tree that has been proven to take bonsai training especially compared to the cultivars. Other than that with a cultivar you have to deal with a graft. Do you airlayer and hope it's strong enough on it's own roots, or do you have a tree with a graft that may get more distracting as time goes on.
 
For the most part, skip threadleaf and laceleaf varieties. They are not as resilient as bonsai. Since they have very thin leaves, they also tend to scorch in the sun. Here in Zone 7 USA, it's not uncommon for laceleaf and threadleaf trees to be completely crispy by August (they're not dead, but they look like it).

Almost ANY variety of JM is suitable for bonsai. The best variety to use is simply "unnamed" green JMs. They tend to have the most vigor and response to training. The more specialized you get, generally, lesser vigor (not to mention all those special varieties tend to be grafted--sometimes badly).
 
For the most part, skip threadleaf and laceleaf varieties. They are not as resilient as bonsai. Since they have very thin leaves, they also tend to scorch in the sun. Here in Zone 7 USA, it's not uncommon for laceleaf and threadleaf trees to be completely crispy by August (they're not dead, but they look like it).

Almost ANY variety of JM is suitable for bonsai. The best variety to use is simply "unnamed" green JMs. They tend to have the most vigor and response to training. The more specialized you get, generally, lesser vigor (not to mention all those special varieties tend to be grafted--sometimes badly).
Okey thanks 🙏
I will get some green variety. I'm very much a beginner in bonsai so I would want a forgiving tree. Which other tree species would you recommend?
 
Okey thanks 🙏
I will get some green variety. I'm very much a beginner in bonsai so I would want a forgiving tree. Which other tree species would you recommend?
Any local elm variety will do nicely. Watch some of Peter chan’s videos, he’s in the UK and some of the species he works on may be appropriate for you in Sweden.
 
I agree with @19Mateo83 Elms aren’t as flashy as these cultivars but they are fun. When I started I was the same like wow look at these beautiful cultivars they will make beautiful bonsai. I still have some but am finding my elms to be more fun with bonsai. Some of my cultivars are now landscape trees lol.
 
Do you know what the temperature zone is that you are in? First you want to try trees and shrubs that are local as those would be easiest being best suited for your area. Then trees and shrubs that are your hardiness zone or colder. The further away from this the harder it will be to maintain and keep strong. For instance your in Sweden, but Sweden is a country with lots of different climates, but I could guess to say it would be harder to keep the Jacaranda or baobab than a larch or mugo pine.
 
Carful with 'Exotic' species as I found the hard way that they struggle with just normal techniques and require a lot of extra care compared to just a green JM.
 
Thankyou so much everyone :)
I will research hardy local trees and ask to take some material from the woods. I never thought I could do bonsai with local trees like that.
 
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