Here's a photo of the boxes:
Imported trees coming to the US
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I know one can ship gigantic crates by plane, the fedex and ups planes are enormous... usually it is a cost factor.
By the way, bare rooting the maples is no big deal. Shipped dormant, they should be fine.
The pines is another story. They don't like to be barerooted.
In this case, it appears Brussel was able to get them shipped directly to him, so the boxes were opened in the quarantine greenhouse. He was doing it in sufficient quantity that he has a DoA inspector there on site.
A more typical case is a tree that has been quarantined in Japan get shipped in, and gets inspected at the Port of Entry. The box is opened, trees taken out, unwrapped, sprayed and then rewrapped, reboxed, and shipped on to their final destination. The owner is not in control of the situation. Who knows how long they sit there unwrapped? At what temperature?
Brussel, being near Memphis can get them Fedexed in, and have the DoA at the greenhouse to make the process far safer for the trees. I suspect this should result in a far higher success rate.
The pines is another story. They don't like to be barerooted.
In this case, it appears Brussel was able to get them shipped directly to him, so the boxes were opened in the quarantine greenhouse. He was doing it in sufficient quantity that he has a DoA inspector there on site.
A more typical case is a tree that has been quarantined in Japan get shipped in, and gets inspected at the Port of Entry. The box is opened, trees taken out, unwrapped, sprayed and then rewrapped, reboxed, and shipped on to their final destination. The owner is not in control of the situation. Who knows how long they sit there unwrapped? At what temperature?
Brussel, being near Memphis can get them Fedexed in, and have the DoA at the greenhouse to make the process far safer for the trees. I suspect this should result in a far higher success rate.
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Yep. What he said ^
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My bad! I confused the FB post of Matts with another post!
I had to go back and look, cause I could have sworn they were a lot bigger!
Turned out, there are two entirely different posts with creates and I confused the two.
So, yes I could see how these would be shipped via Air and how it would be most beneficial to do so.
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Not picking a fight. But brussel has a shipping account. I don't know what his rates are but there way better then mine seeing he ships so many trees. For Valentine's Day alone he shipped 35000 trees. On Mother's Day he dose 50000.
I ship a box that's 30"x24"x24" over night fedex from Japan cost me $65. I know his boxes are bigger but there probably same weight seeing mine are full of water and his is trees and mostly packing peanuts or paper. I'm just saying his cost for shipping is very low compare to most. And if he importing hight quality material he going to take the least risk meaning he going to get them here ASAP.
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I hate that we can't see new post while typing. Lol
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I would agree... on both accounts and did not know that Brussels was able to do what this. I would definitely think then that the survival rate would probably end up being much higher and probably would be safe to say there would be very little loss if any, conifers aside...
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I understand!
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Exactly. This really isn't so different from people pre-ordering anything. A music album, a video game, a car or being placed on a waiting list for tickets, reservations at a restaurant, all sorts of things. This is the first time I'm seeing it be done in the bonsai realm though. I don't know if it was this shipment but I recall somewhere he said something about a shipment to be quarantined to already have buyers lined up, or trees already sold. I can't recall the details, but the market is apparently there.
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Ok. I was being conservative. How about 100 years?inb4 @Vance Wood clarifies that native North American tree species have indeed been specifically groomed for bonsai for four decades
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It's kind of funny to see what happens when folks used to seeing the artistic side of bonsai get a glimpse of the business side. Bonsai from Japan are more of a commodity that the precious things we imagine. YEs, they are finely crafted and well done, but ultimately, they're a business. Seeing a 100 year old pine stuffed into a shipping crate without a pot with three dozen other 100 year old bonsai can be jarring.
I don't know if it still happens, but back in the 90's there were stories of growers in Japan burning entire fields of old plum bonsai and other species because there wasn't a demand for them and there were too many--which ultimately brought prices down. Burning them was preferable to caring for them...
I don't know if it still happens, but back in the 90's there were stories of growers in Japan burning entire fields of old plum bonsai and other species because there wasn't a demand for them and there were too many--which ultimately brought prices down. Burning them was preferable to caring for them...
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I guess it depends on which artistic folks?
As for myself, I am well aware Art is about business. I have been aware of this pretty much my whole life. I do art because I enjoy it and I am good at doing it, but make no mistake... I haven't done it for 30 plus years by making stuff that sits in a closet. I am fully aware that it is a job no different than any other job, and if I don't concern myself with the business side, I don't eat. So, for me this has never been a prob... it has always been and will continue to be more about convincing others I should get paid like any other person doing a job, should.
I am all behind Matt and Brussels. .. I see no problem with what they are doing. It does not hurt to try and pre-sell trees seeing that they are only taking up space anyways, which for Brussels might not necessarily be a issue, I don't know?
My only issue is will folks be willing to put up money to wait. Some, I am sure will... others probably not. Some folks as has been mentioned will sit on a waiting list for a year to get a new phone, some camp out days before black Friday just to fight over the 3 TVS on sale... this is not me, and will never be me, I don't need something that bad. But to each their own.
In all reality, it really makes no difference, if no one pre buys... they can still sell them eventually after the process is finished. So, win win... and I am sure Brussels didn't just wake up yesterday and decide to make this business transaction, without some sort of thought.
But, one does have to admit the process is a little humorous. For, some I am sure they will get the last laugh if they were to go through the process... in the end they will have a very nice tree I am sure.
For some this is all that matters, for me I take pride in the fact that I did the work myself. For me this is what an Artistic type does, others I am sure think differently. ..
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So any one interested to know. I confirmed with Matt they were shipped by plane. Which means very little time bare rooted.
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I believe they can use wet sphagnum moss on the roots so they don't dry out as much.
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"Pre-selling" trees is no different than ordering something from Amazon. You pay up front, expect the product to arrive safely, you get your $$ back if you don't like it. Simple.
What you have done is inject a sly judgmental element into this kind of transaction. Your post contains a lot of passive aggressive statements about art and people willing to buy one of these trees. "Artistic types," for instance, do the work themselves--which is BS.
People who buy imports are artistic. Many are even superior artists. For those unfamiliar with them, Imported trees require work and artistic vision, just not the same kinds of work and artistic vision that you use on your trees. Imports don't spring from their shipping crates without flaw. Most require more than a fine tuning with carefully considered work.
In a sense their owners have more at stake artistically than you do. They've just plunked down $1,000 or more for the tree before them. If they screw it up, they're out that money. If you screw up a collected tree (if you collected it yourself or bought it from a hobbyist buddy, the most you're out is $100 or so)>
Also FWIW, there are those that might consider a tree designed, owned and worked by one person as a flaw. Bonsai has always been a cumulative artwork, with the tree absorbing and exhibiting the work of many into a single entity. One-person bonsai can have serious blind spots...
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They can. And I believe they did.
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