shohin_branches
Omono
Then why are so many people strutting around acting like they're the only person who knows the real way
to grow bonsai?I'm here to argue with them
I want to hear more arguments ..Bonsai Humor Thread No. 2
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to grow bonsai?I'm here to argue with them
shohin_branches
Omono
You could have gone to a site like fiverr.com and hired a real artist to draw your tree helping a person with a skill make some money from art so they can pay their bills.
I'm kinda worried about you because you don't know any artists
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
I get the sentiment but why?
How much would an artist charge for such work? Might be expensive? Not everyone can pay for that.
The AI picture is lovely, wouldn't know it was AI generated until we were told it was.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Well.. they did not sell it, now did they
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Just had a browse on that website. The prices for some of these trees are insanely high. Yet, some others (I saw a ficus with a base of 25 inches for I think 5K) that seemed very reasonable. Such an odd assortment of pricings, like randomly allocated.
This for 750 USD? 24 inches tall, would make it 60cm
Quite similar, a little smaller and a few aerial roots less at my local supermarket (!) :
SailDesign
Seedling
Then why are so many people strutting around acting like they're the only person who knows the real way
I'm here to argue with them
Ah, but Grasshopper, there IS no "real way" to grow bonsai - there are many paths, but only some lead to healthy trees...... Others to cliffs.
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
I like cliff trees. Show me the way!Ah, but Grasshopper, there IS no "real way" to grow bonsai - there are many paths, but only some lead to healthy trees...... Others to cliffs.
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
There is no bonsai worth that much anywhere!
I really wish people would stop this crap! I get it took allot of time and effort, but so do my kids and I'd never ask more than $1000 for them!
These sorts of ludicrous prices are the direction cause of bonsai theft!
8 Most Expensive Bonsai Trees Ever Sold - Rarest.org
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speaking bout prices i just finished checking if there is any nice promising citrus near me in good price.. only 15$ seedlings and overpriced sticks in a pot
JoeWilson
Yamadori
I don't think anyone has a problem with drawings of trees. The problem is AI does not draw or invent. AI is a theft machine that replicates its training data, data that is stolen/used without permission from countless works that someone - real, live, actual people - produced. There is nothing generative AI models create that is not in some way plagiarized from a person's or multiple people's hard work and intellectual property.
If you had taken a pencil and done a sketch of your tree, it would have far more value. Give it a try, drawing is fun and rewarding.
And Yes, as shohin_branches mentioned, even if for some reason you think you can't draw (everyone can draw, and everyone can get better at drawing, all it takes is practice), there are many easy and inexpensive ways to commission drawings from illustrators. That way, you're supporting, rather than ripping off artists.
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JoeWilson
Yamadori
It's a computer program; there is no "them".
AI Chatbot Turns Out to Be 700 Engineers in India
Microsoft-backed startup Builder.ai reportedly hired engineers to pose as and do the work of its AI chatbot, Natasha.
tech.co
u never know..
JoeWilson
Yamadori
AI Chatbot Turns Out to Be 700 Engineers in India
Microsoft-backed startup Builder.ai reportedly hired engineers to pose as and do the work of its AI chatbot, Natasha.
u never know..
Elon Musk's Beer-Pouring Optimus Robots Are Not Autonomous
The robots were interacting with guests at Tesla's big Cybercab event Thursday in L.A.
gizmodo.com
Like Elon's dancing robots that were remote controlled by a guy back stage... many such cases
that kid with cool toys.. i wish i have some
btw, that ai tree picture is nice, just perfect for internet posting
for hanging on a wall, framed would rather prefer real drawing or even painting
"They said a lot of trees had to be killed to generate my draw" like paper or wooden painting frame dont need dead tree
btw, that ai tree picture is nice, just perfect for internet posting
for hanging on a wall, framed would rather prefer real drawing or even painting
"They said a lot of trees had to be killed to generate my draw" like paper or wooden painting frame dont need dead tree
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
No one actually claimed the robots were fully autonomous, though. Big difference.Elon Musk's Beer-Pouring Optimus Robots Are Not Autonomous
The robots were interacting with guests at Tesla's big Cybercab event Thursday in L.A.
Like Elon's dancing robots that were remote controlled by a guy back stage... many such cases
LeftHandLuke
Shohin
Meh. Supply and demand. Wigert's is a highly reputable nursery and they work very hard for every dime earned. I'm sure if these trees were seen in person one could see the reason for how they're priced... and could potentially negotiate. How many nurseries do we see where specimen bonsai are marked as "Not For Sale"? Well, these are "For Sale." It's a free market and I wish the Wigert folks great success.
JoeWilson
Yamadori
The critical context is that Elon has been hyping up his AI-controlled, autonomous robots for years, and then rolled out this goofy Wizard of Oz presentation. Seemingly as a way to convince us that they are being developed, but only demonstrating that they do not do the key thing he has promised. It was hilarious.
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
And that's different from Boston Dynamics how? They both claim to be working on the technology, and regularly release/publicize next steps without claiming a ready for release product. Common ethical practice.
Amazon's "automatic product scanning" in their brick-and-mortar shops was the same thing we're looking at here; a straight up lie.
JoeWilson
Yamadori
Yeah, the Amazon thing was hilarious, too. Boston Dynamics is different primarily because they don't have a loud figurehead that promises the moon (or Mars as the case may be) and struggles to deliver Swiss cheese.
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
Sure, but they sit there for years at a time, obviously there's a mismatch.
Getting those sorts of prices is incredibly rare. Maybe 1 in 1000 such cases actually gets anything near the original asking price.
Those prices are a display in and of themselves! They're only practical purpose is to make buyers of lower priced trees feel like they got a good deal. That tree is never meant to sell. It's meant to make you think Wigert's must be a top notch place. Notice the listing didn't say anything about the tree, but it did mention they had a different tree that won awards once.
It's a market manipulation tactic; not supply and demand. It's listings like that that give idiots the impression that they can steal trees off your back porch and make money off it.
The value of any given tree is entirely subjective based on provenance and artistic merit, so I figure a reasonable rule of thumb is the pot is worth up to but not beyond 25% of the value, and no less than 5% but usually a minimum of 10% because there's a solid market there that IS driven by supply and demand. That listing gives us no provenance on either the tree or pot, and the pot doesn't look like a minimum $750 to me. Even if it is, we still don't know anything at all about the damned tree, so we can infer that there's no actual intent to sell at that price.
Hand me a shovel and I will dig my own damned grave on this here hill, because THAT is a bogus price.
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