Here's a question

As you can tell, some here are very IMPATIENT of newbies. Don't mind them. ;)

My advise, ask what you need an answer for BUT be intelligent about it. Don't ask for the sake of asking.
 
Thanks for pointing that out poink

The first response was rude and I'm surprised how many thanked him for his thinly guised contempt of posters enthusiasm. Ironic from a guy who has posted a few THOUSAND times....
 
Don't ask for the sake of asking.

That is the problem. And that's what happens when a 14 y/o tries to come across as someone that has done bonsai for years, come across as much older, and keeps posting the same questions in multiple threads. Many of the senior members of this forum such as BVF and Adair did provide good advice to him but the numerous questions (many of which have already been answered) kept coming in new threads. The same questions in fact were being asked in multiple threads he started.


Enough was enough and several just pointed this out...and in a much nicer way than I would have.
 
The first response was rude and I'm surprised how many thanked him for his thinly guised contempt of posters enthusiasm. Ironic from a guy who has posted a few THOUSAND times....

Read a few of my threads, then we can discuss the merits of my contributions here.

I'm ALL FOR newbie enthusiasm, yours included; but some of his threads are revealing more youth than enthusiasm for bonsai. That's something he's just going to have to work out in real life and not on an internet forum.
 
The first response was rude and I'm surprised how many thanked him for his thinly guised contempt of posters enthusiasm. Ironic from a guy who has posted a few THOUSAND times....

You are comparing the number of posts (most of which are the same questions) of a 14 y/o kid to that of Brian who has done bonsai for many many years and continues to graciously help new members here daily? I don't know a ton about bonsai but I know who knows their stuff and who's knowledge and skills to respect.
 
Merit of your contributions

Wow... 'read my posts and then we can discuss my contributions'. Lol. I hate typing "lol" by the way. But I am literally laughing at what a pompous tool bag you are for saying that. You know what's smaller than this guys bonsai trees? .... Check his shorts.

'Read my threads and see how smart i am'...
 
Txhorticultire: How many bonsai trees have you entered in state or national shows, have been featured in bonsai journals,etc? Its not just the number of posts by any means. Ignorance is bliss......
 
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When I first learned about BonsaiNut, (and other forums), before I posted the first time, I went and read ALL the threads about topics I might be interested in. Hundreds of threads.

Doing so allowed me to learn several new techniques, meriting further research on my part. I also learned which members knew their stuff, and which, well... didn't.

About patience:

The OP is 14 years old. Asking him to wait 6 months is an eternity. He has only lived for 28 periods of 6 months each. A 60 year old has lived 120 periods of 6 months. For any youngster, time drags. For us old guys, time flies! Gosh, as a kid, I remember that it seemed like forever between Christmases. Now, it seems just like yesterday I packed the ornaments, and soon it will be time to decorate again? Whoa!
 
Did the OP ever state that he was 14, or are people just assuming that? I don't recall seeing him say anything specific about his age.
 
I asked him in a PM and was told 14 and 'not to tell' as he would never respond to posts of various members asking his age. I was wondering since cartoons was listed as an interest in his profile and the wording of his questions and repeat of questions.

I wasn't going to say anything until it needed to be known to explain his repeat threads and incredible lack of patience. Otherwise it was just deceiving.
 
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Wow... 'read my posts and then we can discuss my contributions'. Lol. I hate typing "lol" by the way. But I am literally laughing at what a pompous tool bag you are for saying that. You know what's smaller than this guys bonsai trees? .... Check his shorts.

'Read my threads and see how smart i am'...
Thank you for another opportunity to practice patience.
Good luck to you.
 
wholly crap! I myself had to laugh out loud at how quick this thread turned. Jeez. By the way BVF your work has been tremendously helpful to me
 
Uh. Tex? I think I remember saying you had managed to irritate some of out most experienced and helpful contibutors in an earlier thread. These are the people you want to learn from.

Well, if I may quote Ronald Reagan:

"There you go again!"
 
Hi guys,
Well, sorry for asking the same questions.
looks like this thread turned into an argument.
I'll stop posting for a while and get some hands on experience from clubs.
Thanks,
Porter
Also, I might break away from the pine category because, I'm a newbie. So I'm heading for maples and deciduous trees. also, I don't have $150 to spend on a good size tree, so thats why I buy saplings or 1 gallon stock
 
Patience

Op's question reads sincere.

Rockwell.

I found taking notes, and making sketches, to be very useful. Get an idea of what you want to do. And remember, THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT IS THE ONLY TIME TO DO IT.
Or you will not reach your goals.

Don't prune for a whole year, and the growth you get will amaze you enough to leave things alone. < my first year for that one!

As for general life patience, because patience is necessary, fishing is excellent, read books that interest you, and get a job!

Take a girl to Homecoming and you will develop great patience waiting for her to get ready!

Take all of M.Frary's advice!

And post another 22 questions! Lol

Sorce
 
No no no,
Guys, I have other things to do. Like I have a job, then school, friends, you know.
Also, activities to do.
Thanks, and i will let everything grow out over the years
 
Hi guys,
Well, sorry for asking the same questions.
looks like this thread turned into an argument.
I'll stop posting for a while and get some hands on experience from clubs.
Thanks,
Porter
Also, I might break away from the pine category because, I'm a newbie. So I'm heading for maples and deciduous trees. also, I don't have $150 to spend on a good size tree, so thats why I buy saplings or 1 gallon stock

Honesty is a great thing. No more deceiving. Just be up front and honest about your level and limitations and you will get much better and more applicable advice to your specific needs and situation. Good luck. I'm glad you have such an interest at your age. I wish I would have gotten more serious into learning the real art of bonsai earlier in life......though I'm sill young at 35 y/o. :)
 
you think anyone one on here will take my personal information?
Im scared of the internet to be honest
 
Like any social setting, internet forums have norms. One of those norms is that you search the forum for your question before asking it in a new thread. I know that some folks have run out of patience with regards to informing people about this norm and they get snarky. However, when entering into a social situation, it is each individual's responsibility to try to fit in, rather than expecting everyone to change norms to suit you. Remember your first day at a new job, for example. You likely had to take some time and learn how things go around the place, learn the norms, etc.

Also, there's always going to be a tension between youth and experience. Not just in bonsai either. Experienced people "know" what works, and will refuse to bend to accept that what they have learned through experience may be wrong or inefficient. Young/new folks are more adventurous and tend to gravitate to the newer techniques in a quest to be a part of the cutting edge. Instant clash. So, the experienced people will always say, "slow down, do it the way we've always done it," while the new folks will continue to refuse, saying, "there must be a better (faster in bonsai most of the time) way!" Then, you have the rare birds who are experienced and always striving for the cutting edge techniques and pushing the envelope. Those are the masters who are widely looked up to. Name ONE of the big names in this hobby who does things the way they were done 100 years ago, hell, 15 years ago.

I guess my advice is that new folks should read, read, read, then post. Also, new folks should listen to the wisdom of experience and try to use it along the path or innovation. Additionally, those with experience, don't stand pat, but keep pushing the envelope.

Finally, if we were all nice to each other, this argument wouldn't happen twice a week in some thread started by a person looking for legitimate advice.
 
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