Help : Juniper Identification

[Verebrus]

Hello guys, i'm kinda new in the hobby and just bought Juniper that i will be use as my graft stock. The seller say it was itoigawa Juniper and it is has the characteristic of it but i'm not entirely sure, so can you guys help me to identification if its really Itoigawa or something else.

Thanks befire

 

[TimberLakers]

Looks more like a cypress. Not a bad thing, but probably not what you paid for unfortunately.

 

[Paradox]

It's a juniper
Hard to tell what kind just by looking at it.
Was this purchased at a landscape nursery or bonsai nursery? Where in the world, ie what state, province, country?

 

[Verebrus]

It's a juniper
Hard to tell what kind just by looking at it.
Was this purchased at a landscape nursery or bonsai nursery? Where in the world, ie what state, province, country?

Yup its definitely Juniper, but idk if its real itoigawa or not, i lived in Indonesia so i'm not sure because Itoigawa still rare in here, i buy it from Landscape nurserry but they had sekka hinnoki and real kishu shimpaku which is from Japan thats make me also belive there is possibility this could be real itoigawa.

 

[Verebrus]

It's a juniper
Hard to tell what kind just by looking at it.
Was this purchased at a landscape nursery or bonsai nursery? Where in the world, ie what state, province, country?

Here is the foliage compared to regular Juniperus Chinensis

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Offhand sure looks like young itoigawa foliage, similar to that in our grow out yard.

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[Wires_Guy_wires]

View attachment 607851Here is the foliage compared to regular Juniperus Chinensis

That's a good comparison. I have itoigawa here in Europe and their branchlets (ropes, worms, whatever you want to call them) are slightly thinner than chinensis and more lightly green. Yours seem to match up exactly when it comes to size, so I think it's either kishu or regular chinensis.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Hmm… color is usually a variable indicator. Here are three images from the yard. I certainly could be incorrect as there are variations within in these cultivars. Choose from your favorite

Shimpaku


Itoigawa


Kishu


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[Verebrus]

That's a good comparison. I have itoigawa here in Europe and their branchlets (ropes, worms, whatever you want to call them) are slightly thinner than chinensis and more lightly green. Yours seem to match up exactly when it comes to size, so I think it's either kishu or regular chinensis.

Alright thank you for your insight, do you think it is not a problem to use it as a grafting stock wether its itoigawa or not as long its has a good foliage? Also do you happen to know if Itoigawa juniper can thrive in Tropical climate? I had few Chinensis Juniper and Sargent Juniper for about 5 years now and they are grow really well in here

 

[Verebrus]

Hmm… color is usually a variable indicator. Here are three images from the yard. I certainly could be incorrect as there are variations within in these cultivars. Choose from your favorite

Shimpaku
View attachment 607893

Itoigawa
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Kishu
View attachment 607897

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Thanks for amazing comparasion photo, looking at it i really do belive the closest thing my Juniper look like its the Kishu one, the foliage is similar, the nodes is similar and the color is really close to the kishu one. Also do you know if itoigawa can survive in tropical climate?, i had Reguler chinensis Juniper and Sargent Juniper for 5 years now and they growing really well here, but i never had experience with itoigawa before.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Alright thank you for your insight, do you think it is not a problem to use it as a grafting stock wether its itoigawa or not as long its has a good foliage? Also do you happen to know if Itoigawa juniper can thrive in Tropical climate? I had few Chinensis Juniper and Sargent Juniper for about 5 years now and they are grow really well in here

Good foliage is good foliage. My junipers all love humidity and heat so I think it will thrive.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Well Itoigowa and Kishu a shimpaku variety and all are chinensis junipers. However both Kishu and Itoigawa were originally mountain junipers, so there is that.

Since then these junipers have been cultivated In many places, especially warm areas. Haven’t heard of them in the tropics, but we don’t do bonsai in the tropics. If you have other chinensis robust and healthy, would say if anyone cultivate it, it would be you. Only thought they might have a chilling hour requirement…

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[Shibui]

As far as I know, all J. chinensis cultivars have similar climate requirements so if you are already growing J. chinensis cultivars you should also be able to do Itiogawa and Kishu.

 

[Mike Westervelt]

Kishu on top,

Itoigawa on bottom