Help confirming IDs

[moriel]

Hi, I’ve got two young junipers as a gift. The first was labeled ‘procumbens nana’ and the second was labeled as ‘juniperus chinensis shimpaku’ Could you please tell me whether this IDs are correct? Please let me know if you need pictures from different angles or something more specific. Thank you in advance.

 

[Crazy Diamond]

Both look like Juniperus chinensis, no Procumbens in the photos, Procumbens usually has needle foliage
https://nebaribonsai.wordpress.com/...s-among-itoigawa-kishu-and-shimpaku-junipers/

 

[moriel]

Both look like Juniperus chinensis, no Procumbens in the photos, Procumbens usually has needle foliage
https://nebaribonsai.wordpress.com/...s-among-itoigawa-kishu-and-shimpaku-junipers/

Thank you! After reading the link, I guess it would be safe to assume that tree #2 has been labeled correctly? The term ‘shimpaku’ refers to Juniperus Chinensis var. Sargentii or not any variety per se?

Sorry for asking so many questions, I’ve found different definitions for ‘shimpaku’ in books and online resources.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

There are procumbens in the US that produce scale foliage. But the nana cultivar never does so. So I think it has been either mislabeled as a nana, or mislabeled as a procumbens.

Shimpaku is the collective name for var. Sargentii. Kishu and itoigawa are both subvarieties of sargentii for example, but even within itoigawa there are huge differences in phenotype (how they look). There's coarse itoigawa, fine itoigawa and everything in between. There is no genetic data at this time that compares the groups, so they might be genetically similar or hugely different.
How you treat them is the same though.

 

[moriel]

There are procumbens in the US that produce scale foliage. But the nana cultivar never does so. So I think it has been either mislabeled as a nana, or mislabeled as a procumbens.

Shimpaku is the collective name for var. Sargentii. Kishu and itoigawa are both subvarieties of sargentii for example, but even within itoigawa there are huge differences in phenotype (how they look). There's coarse itoigawa, fine itoigawa and everything in between. There is no genetic data at this time that compares the groups, so they might be genetically similar or hugely different.
How you treat them is the same though.

Thank you for the clarification!