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Omono
"It ain't about if he knocks the guy out. It's about how he knocks the guy out." - Don King
ERC vs Shimpaku BVF throwdown
- Thread starter DayDrunk
- Start date
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
DayDrunk, I would take advantage of the generosity of BVF. I would request that if he is willing to send something to send this one instead. It is afterall just a "small juniper".
DayDrunk
Yamadori
Oh, you can bet your ass I’m going to give this my all and try to give you some competition with this.....or at least not embarrass myself too badly.
TN_Jim
Omono
sweep the leg DayDrunk!!!
LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
#1 fantastic attitude. Stick in the pot, not wedged into the rectum with the typical "hair" across such!!!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Where is the first challenge to the dude who never showed back up?
What is the official challenge?
Sure, it's for fun....but.....
What is being judged?
Growth rate?
Nothing else is equal being that it is a 1st year seedling vs a cutting.
BVF should also grow a 1st year seedling Shimp and DD should start a mature ERC cutting.
Sorce
What is the official challenge?
Sure, it's for fun....but.....
What is being judged?
Growth rate?
Nothing else is equal being that it is a 1st year seedling vs a cutting.
BVF should also grow a 1st year seedling Shimp and DD should start a mature ERC cutting.
Sorce
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
I dunno pal. I don’t make the rules, just play the game. @DayDrunk may have something in mind and whatever he wants to do with this is fine by me.
Hartinez
Masterpiece
This right here is why I come back to this site again and again. Brian doesnt have to offer advice on anyone’s trees or suggestions for ubiquitous questions from newbs, but not only does he, (along with so many other senior members) he offers to send cuttings of well sought after juniper types for Bonsai for free. Good on you @Brian Van Fleet and good on you @DayDrunk for throwing down the challenge!
Ps. TAKE THE CUTTINGS
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Well it's kinda true what 
said.
If it's a styling comp get to it.
But we gotta put blinders on to the fact that one is juvi and one is mature.
That said, that ERC isn't going to have mature foliage by year 3 AND offer a structure worth styling.
I do believe if it is solely growth rate...
The ERC may win.
Either way....
I gotta coupla cuttings and BS .....
Blue rug....
I kinda like @Soldano666 idea of a royal rumble!
Tag me in in that case!
Cage match!
But.....if it's a cage match, @Smoke gotta play too....what with the screens and all!
Sorce
said.If it's a styling comp get to it.
But we gotta put blinders on to the fact that one is juvi and one is mature.
That said, that ERC isn't going to have mature foliage by year 3 AND offer a structure worth styling.
I do believe if it is solely growth rate...
The ERC may win.
Either way....
I gotta coupla cuttings and BS .....
Blue rug....
I kinda like @Soldano666 idea of a royal rumble!
Tag me in in that case!
Cage match!
But.....if it's a cage match, @Smoke gotta play too....what with the screens and all!
Sorce
thumblessprimate1
Masterpiece
I ❤ my BVF Itoigawa. It's beautiful stuff.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Again, I’ll leave it to @DayDrunk to define the challenge. I’d suggest letting it play out for a few years and conclude with an auction, with proceeds going to BNut, and the winner is determined by which tree fetched the higher price.Well it's kinda true what
If it's a styling comp get to it.
But we gotta put blinders on to the fact that one is juvi and one is mature.
That said, that ERC isn't going to have mature foliage by year 3 AND offer a structure worth styling.
I do believe if it is solely growth rate...
The ERC may win.
Either way....
I gotta coupla cuttings and BS .....
Blue rug....
I kinda like @Soldano666 idea of a royal rumble!
Tag me in in that case!
Cage match!
But.....if it's a cage match, @Smoke gotta play too....what with the screens and all!
Sorce
@sorce You seem oddly hung up on the juniper/mature foliage difference between the two, which is just one reason I prefer Shimpakus. Unless you’re talking about the age difference, it’s maybe a year which is nothing in Bonsai. It’s also the most similar one I have to put up, so if DD is good with it, you’ll just have to deal. We’re in a similar climate, so we’ll see.
Once DD establishes the details, I’ll get to work...
TN_Jim
Omono
..just cause erc can have mature foliage don’t mean it will retain it once chomped on 3 or 15 yr tho
don’t let’m get in ya head DD!
ya gotta work the body, stick em with the needles!
don’t let’m get in ya head DD!
ya gotta work the body, stick em with the needles!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Well.. Not that this IS a super serious ordeal...
But..
If it were "judged", tradition may have it that the much foli is instantly discounted as the loser.
My cuttings of erc, which I have definitely over hacked once or twice to three times a year, have just pushed mature after leaving them 2 years no cutty.
But if I wasn't cutting them...there would be no good structure I reckon...
In short...
No Contest! Lol!
But that's why I wanna see a good even head to head!
My foolish foolish $ is on DD and ERC!
Hehehehehebebebehde!
Sorce
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Well, since somebody seems to be drinking his day away and not here working on trees, I decided to proceed by twisting up my Itoigawa and sticking it in the biggest container I could find. How’s that ERC @DayDrunk ?
Before:
Wired and twisted:
Hole dug, and amended with some coarse recycled soil:
Planted:
And now we wait...
Before:
Wired and twisted:
Hole dug, and amended with some coarse recycled soil:
Planted:
And now we wait...
DayDrunk
Yamadori
Not much to report here. Still a stick in a pot. No wiring or twisting this year 
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Minnesota Madman
Yamadori
Just as the used car salesmen do.. Wet 'em down for better presentation.Not much to report here. Still a stick in a pot. No wiring or twisting this year
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Jzack605
Chumono
True cedars grow no problem in north America. Cedrus atlantica, deodar and libani can all be grown here and are common.
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
I think @Vance Wood intended to say that they are not native to North America - cedrus atlantica, deodar, libani.
Native arborvitae/juniper are called 'cedar' because their woods are quite similar, IMHO. Cruptomeria, as another example, is colloquially referred to as Japanese cedar. It wood is very similar to cedar wood, but cryptomeria is not a cedar, botanically.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I did not say they could not be grown here I said they do not grow here as in native to this environment. Many things are called one thing that are really another.
