Celtis sinensis

[defra]

Yesterday i picked up this celtic sinensis!
i will get it trough winter and then next season we will see where the new branches emerge and think of a design for this trunk and start building a nice tree from this stump

Its been chopped by the preveous owner carved and treated

Tell me what you think!
@JudyB here it is!

 

[defra]

And a video

 

[discusmike]

Gnarly base to start with!

 

[Ruben Bouwmeester]

nice trunk, nice bark and nice nebari. When is it potted?

 

[dirk hoorelbeke]

It has nice movement, the base has it's obvious flaws. There are some small cut wounds that show no callus, how old looks the wood on the removed branches? Totally chop back is often hit or miss, depending on the species. Selling "risky" material is not a good thing to do in my opinion. I don't know the bark characteristics of Celtis, there are some patches that look a bit dodgy... Fingers crossed, it might be a good one...

 

[JudyB]

Large wounds on these don't heal fast, so either make it part of the design, or the back. I think I like the first side you showed first the best anyway. I like the movement, it's a cool tree so far... Hope it gives you lots of choices to work with come spring.

 

[LanceMac10]

When was it chopped?

Bare as a babies bottom, that's an odd one......

 

[Anthony]

Can't wait to see where it sprouts.
Good challenge.
Thanks for showing.
Anthony

hmm - 2 feet tall ---- now that should be interesting.

 

[discusmike]

Love it,wish it were mine,i like the flaws

 

[defra]

nice trunk, nice bark and nice nebari. When is it potted?

Repotted last year and i am adviced not to repot it this year yet

It has nice movement, the base has it's obvious flaws. There are some small cut wounds that show no callus, how old looks the wood on the removed branches? Totally chop back is often hit or miss, depending on the species. Selling "risky" material is not a good thing to do in my opinion. I don't know the bark characteristics of Celtis, there are some patches that look a bit dodgy... Fingers crossed, it might be a good one...

the seller has quite a few nice tree's and even made a video with hans van meer last week on his yamadori pine
He is also friends with steve from bonsai yume and there is were he got this tree from so i am confident he knows what he's doing and that the chop is a hit!

I agree on the bark that some patches look different (more green and not plated) but also i dont know the species so well..

The flaws at the base can you explain?

I am thinking to take some cuttings next year to attempt some root grafts to improve the nebari

When was it chopped?

Bare as a babies bottom, that's an odd one......

It was chopped this fal after the tree went dormant
He told me it had an uninteresting straight portion above the chop thats why he chopped it.

Can't wait to see where it sprouts.
Good challenge.
Thanks for showing.
Anthony

hmm - 2 feet tall ---- now that should be interesting.

So do i!
2 feet tall?
You mean the height the tree should be 2 feet according to the size of the base?

Large wounds on these don't heal fast, so either make it part of the design, or the back. I think I like the first side you showed first the best anyway. I like the movement, it's a cool tree so far... Hope it gives you lots of choices to work with come spring.

Ive been reading that quite a few times now about healing wounds
i hope to get a runner on top to see if it will do anything to the wound i dont dislike having some deadwood on decideous tree's tough

As front i like the first pic too but there are some more interesting angles and also the tree will decide were to grow new branches wich also could help me decide on the front

I will be looking allot at it and think of how i like it to become one day !

 

[Ruben Bouwmeester]

@defra i really hope that this stump is going to explode in spring. I remember the tree now, i seen it at Facebook.

In my opinion, he should have to wait. selling this tree. I don't no much, but nobody knows the health of this one.
I'm not to juge people, and i don't know everything.

 

[dirk hoorelbeke]

There are a few big roots and a little higher some others. So you will have to graft, but first let the tree grow.

 

[defra]

It was frightening and i tought it was dead all set to get my money back....
Gave it another week but it decided to grow
Kind of late but alive yeah!

 

[Anthony]

Sorry, without the @ I don't know when someone replies to me.

Excellent to see growth. Yes, 2.5 cm trunk = 15 cm height as
a guideline.

Suggestion big pot or ground and just let it grow.

Only now testing Celtis c. so can offer no growing / healing advice.

On my side the Celtis l. and Celtis a. will heal slowly if branches
are allowed to extend.
Will be enjoying this effort over the years.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Ruben Bouwmeester]

Is it alive all around?

 

[defra]

Is it alive all around?

Yes all around green when i scratch the bark
Thats why i didnt gave up on it yet !

 

[defra]

Well
One side completely died
Selected the branches i want to keep and wired those
I Will Carve the dead side into a hollow trunk feature and make use of it instead of hideing it at the back

 

[defra]

This tree has been growing Realy well!
In June I went on and did a little more carving to the dead part of the trunk
The idea is to make the bulge a partly hollow trunk

The roots below the dead side seem to be alive since there was a leaf popping out of what I assumed to be dead but will find that out for sure if I'm gonna repot it next year

I first drilled a hole with a drill down to the bottom where I want it to start the hollowing on that side but there is another reason, rain will get in and go trough the hollow exiting at the bottom causing it to get wet dry wet dry to make the hollowing beside carving also a natural Proces.
Then I started to open op the trunk with my dremel from the front in a curved v shape to give it some dimension and also to carve some wood away at the inside for now I will nature do its thing for a couple years since this tree needs allot of development anyway so I got time and hey who makes the pretties deadwood? Still mother nature

Here are some (bad) detail pics of the process I'll try to add a better Pic of the whole tree tomorrow

Before:


Drilling the first hole:


Some more drilling done and carved the trunk open a bit rest is up to mother nature




The result so far




Also @BobbyLane thankyou for your inspirational shared work on deadwood and hollow trunks in development and the pics you always provide with it from tree's in nature Realy enjoy the posts of the work you share it kinda gave me a direction for this tree if you have any tips or tricks for the future I'd love to hear them if I f'ed up you can just tell me too tough

 

[defra]

Some pics from yesterday













Wire was grown in Prety deep but it already grown out completely

 

[defra]

still alive needs a repot soon
still needs tons of growing to do so it will stay in a training pot for a while