Another JWP: seeking styling advice

[PBR STREETGANG]

We're not trying to denigrate your reply. It looked like you thought the tree was still alive, so I was trying to bring that to your attention. As it turns out, I misunderstood your intention.

Let's talk about bar branches. It sounds like, hypothetically, if the tree were still around, you would suggest removing bar branches and replacing them with grafts higher or lower on the trunk?

I do see it can be read the way you thought I meant but I should of worded it differently

 

[Paradox]

I know but at least tell him about not having Bar Branches on future Trees also I did try and give him an idea of getting a lower branch. It's minor advice, thought you were all here to help or get help not try and denigrate someone elses reply.

What is your point?
You joined in February and haven't said a word or posted any trees. You have only today started posting just to denigrate other peoples trees and mistakes?

For one thing, there are no absolutes in bonsai, even the so called "rules" are not set in stone.
They are guidelines of what a tree "should" look like to be the most appealing to some human imposed ideal.
Very few trees will strictly adhere to all the "rules"

 

[Dav4]

So… who was advocating for bar branches here? I’m confused

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

What is your point?
You joined in February and haven't said a word or posted any trees. You have only today started posting just to denigrate other peoples trees and mistakes?

For one thing, there are no absolutes in bonsai, even the so called "rules" are not set in stone.
They are guidelines of what a tree "should" look like to be the most appealing to some human imposed ideal.
Very few trees will strictly adhere to all the "rules"

Okeh how many Good to Excellent Bonsai have you seen which Ignore branch placement, have you seen a good Bonsai with it's main branch at the rear, 2nd at the front 3rd a bar branch to branc 2 at the rear? do you think it would look Good? Like I said it's ot denigrating anyone it's you denigrating my comment, not my fault you didn't have the nous to inform of his design mistakes. And you can buy books on Bonsai Design and none say have bar branches remove 2/3ds of all growth etc, grow up I gave advice which he obviously didn't have before as the photo proves it. I'll wait for your next Denigrating message, BTW how long have you been into Bonsai and I joined this site years ago but my PC broke and I lost all my Data so had to rejoin most sites I had joined previously, now how long have you been growing Bonsai for?

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

So… who was advocating for bar branches here? I’m confused

I commented he had Bar Branches and shouldn't

What is your point?
You joined in February and haven't said a word or posted any trees. You have only today started posting just to denigrate other peoples trees and mistakes?

For one thing, there are no absolutes in bonsai, even the so called "rules" are not set in stone.
They are guidelines of what a tree "should" look like to be the most appealing to some human imposed ideal.
Very few trees will strictly adhere to all the "rules"

So your 15 years into Bonsai I started in 89, but I don't know it all, All Trees even of the same species react different and I know not evry rule can be followed but those that can should, a Tree with Bar Branches will never lookgood ,if you think of Brach Placement think of it like a spiral staircase1st rung is 1st Branch, 2 nd rung 2nd Branch etc. Some people have Trees that have a missing a Branch so either graft a branch on or wire one into place.

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

What is your point?
You joined in February and haven't said a word or posted any trees. You have only today started posting just to denigrate other peoples trees and mistakes?

For one thing, there are no absolutes in bonsai, even the so called "rules" are not set in stone.
They are guidelines of what a tree "should" look like to be the most appealing to some human imposed ideal.
Very few trees will strictly adhere to all the "rulesHow many courses have you attended and do you plan on going to future courses?

 

[Japonicus]

So… who was advocating for bar branches here? I’m confused

I'm still confused why one would remove a branch then reinstal a new branch in this instance.
Looks like the whorls had been worked down to simple bar branches and recovery time had been entered waiting for more work. If one has ever worked whorls down, they're familiar with stepping the work in stages. You cannot remove all branches that do not fit all at once in the case of nursery material that is all whorly.
Sorry for the loss @harshadg don't give up on JWP. They're slow and I liked the graft, and yes it looked pretty seamless.

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

So… who was advocating for bar branches here? I’m confused

I pointed them out and it'sa design flaw heres some replys to my pointing out an error he didn't know about..
Paradox said:


What is your point?
You joined in February and haven't said a word or posted any trees. You have only today started posting just to denigrate other peoples trees and mistakes?

For one thing, there are no absolutes in bonsai, even the so called "rules" are not set in stone.
They are guidelines of what a tree "should" look like to be the most appealing to some human imposed ideal.
Very few trees will strictly adhere to all the "rulesHow many courses have you attended and do you plan on going to future courses?

What is your point?
You joined in February and haven't said a word or posted any trees. You have only today started posting just to denigrate other peoples trees and mistakes?

For one thing, there are no absolutes in bonsai, even the so called "rules" are not set in stone.
They are guidelines of what a tree "should" look like to be the most appealing to some human imposed ideal.
Very few trees will strictly adhere to all the "rules"

 

[Dav4]

I commented he had Bar Branches and shouldn't

So your 15 years into Bonsai I started in 89, but I don't know it all, All Trees even of the same species react different and I know not evry rule can be followed but those that can should, a Tree with Bar Branches will never lookgood ,if you think of Brach Placement think of it like a spiral staircase1st rung is 1st Branch, 2 nd rung 2nd Branch etc. Some people have Trees that have a missing a Branch so either graft a branch on or wire one into place.

Soooooooo…. You’re trashing the design in my “inspiration” post over bar branches? Really??

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

I'm still confused why one would remove a branch then reinstal a new branch in this instance.
Looks like the whorls had been worked down to simple bar branches and recovery time had been entered waiting for more work. If one has ever worked whorls down, they're familiar with stepping the work in stages. You cannot remove all branches that do not fit all at once in the case of nursery material that is all whorly.
Sorry for the loss @harshadg don't give up on JWP. They're slow and I liked the graft, and yes it looked pretty seamless.

Are you blind? his 1 and 2nd branches are on the same level therefore BAR BRANCHES.

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

Soooooooo…. You’re trashing the design in my “inspiration” post over bar branches? Really??

No the JWP ON THIS THREAD

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

Soooooooo…. You’re trashing the design in my “inspiration” post over bar branches? Really??

No the JWP ON THIS THREAD

 

[Japonicus]

Are you blind? his 1 and 2nd branches are on the same level therefore BAR BRANCHES.

Not yet thank God.
I think you didnt see my approval of not removing too much at one time.

 

[Japonicus]

Inspiration, perhaps. A recent creation from Todd Schlafer of First Branch Bonsai. Your trunk isn't that dissimilar from that of this collected Black Spruce
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Beautiful tree Dave, but those bar branches

 

[Paradox]

I commented he had Bar Branches and shouldn't

So your 15 years into Bonsai I started in 89, but I don't know it all, All Trees even of the same species react different and I know not evry rule can be followed but those that can should, a Tree with Bar Branches will never lookgood ,if you think of Brach Placement think of it like a spiral staircase1st rung is 1st Branch, 2 nd rung 2nd Branch etc. Some people have Trees that have a missing a Branch so either graft a branch on or wire one into place.

I don't give a crap about how long you've been doing bonsai. It means nothing when you come here with some holier-than-thou attitude and piss all over people.

You don't need to come in here being an ass to a new person because they made a mistake or they don't have a Kokufu ten perfect tree according to you.

Your attitude and how you're treating others here is why you're being treated in the same way.

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

I think some of you on this site think theyre BONSAI MASTERS after going on every BONSAI COURSE available rather than learn from some real masters who have written it all down in books that cost a fraction of a bonsai course. I went on1 course which was about Branch Choice and Repotting, after that course finished I realised the books I had already told me what I shown, prefer to educate myself, I left school without knowing my exam reults, I tought myself how to Rebuild and Restore Lambretta Scooters, in BRITAIN we have a MASSIVE SCOOTER SCENE. I'm also a skilled man who can build offices out ofmetal stud an plaster board, did 3 years doing a degree part time study but it takes 8 yars to fininish if you pass your 1st year the 8 modules you studied are the equivalent of 8 A LEVELS you need 3 to be accepted at most Universities, I had enough to apply to Oxford or Cambridge but Iwas from a working class family who did very well for themselves, but a Scouser at Oxford or Cambridge would not end well for those who have everything given to them, get a highly paid executive salary from one of daddies old chums from Uni. Anyway I made good money building Partitions and putting up false ceilings I build them I don't want to work in one.
Not all People who Own Bonsai Nurseriesand Won a 1st at the Chelsea Flower Show by using the Trees he Bought in Japan and arrived in UK a week before the show are any good atcreating and designing Bonsai.

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

Beautiful tree Dave, but those bar branches

Are all you yanks as stupid as you seem to be? And this is a site where people go for what? Get a gang and lets bully him yeah put your handbags down you big girls blouses

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

I don't give a crap about how long you've been doing bonsai. It means nothing when you come here with some holier-than-thou attitude and piss all over people.

You don't need to come in here being an ass to a new person because they made a mistake or they don't have a Kokufu ten perfect tree according to you.

Your attitude and how you're treating others here is why you're being treated in the same way.

I think your pretty messed up I neversaid his tre was crap just pointed out a design flaw and all the little boys who know it all got pissed because they didn't tell him about Bar Branches being a design flaw, go to more courses you need them.

 

[PBR STREETGANG]

I think your pretty messed up I neversaid his tre was crap just pointed out a design flaw and all the little boys who know it all got pissed because they didn't tell him about Bar Branches being a design flaw, go to more courses you need them. And who have I been an arse too? YOU? IF you give shit out be prepared to recieve it back.

 

[Paradox]

I think your pretty messed up I neversaid his tre was crap just pointed out a design flaw and all the little boys who know it all got pissed because they didn't tell him about Bar Branches being a design flaw, go to more courses you need them.

That the pot calling the kettle black.
Did I hit a nerve on your fragile ego?
Go take some how to act like a human being courses, you need them.

Oh and learn how to forum, you obviously don't know how to do that either