brewmeister83
Chumono
Precisely my point dear Watson... Cheers!
Precisely my point dear Watson... Cheers!
armetisius
Chumono
Ah............
No they don't. No flowers no pollen.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
That is making the assumption that you are correct; that there are a lot of good JBP's, a statement I am uncertain of. Actually here in America it has only been over the last several years that Americans have started taking the Mugo seriously, in Europe you see a lot of them. As has been pointed out most of them are Yamadori; but a Yamadori Mugo is still a Mugo. In America we are pretty slow on the uptake and some are just now taking the tree seriously.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
USNBE stats:
2012:
12 JBP (one was the National Award winner)
1 Mugo:
2014:
19 JBP (one was the Nippon Assoc. winner):
1 Mugo:
Artisan's Cup Stats:
2015:
2 JBP, 0 Mugos.
May just need to wait till the 2215 show...
2012:
12 JBP (one was the National Award winner)
1 Mugo:
2014:
19 JBP (one was the Nippon Assoc. winner):
1 Mugo:
Artisan's Cup Stats:
2015:
2 JBP, 0 Mugos.
May just need to wait till the 2215 show...
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Anyone know the Noelanders stats?
@brewmeister83 I hope all this has something to do with those ror mugos living, and not just ethanol!
Sorce
@brewmeister83 I hope all this has something to do with those ror mugos living, and not just ethanol!
Sorce
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
The reason you find more JBP in the U.S.
1. Been used as bonsai longer.
2.More information on the tree.
3. Most are trained as pre bonsai from the time they are sprouted.
4. Can be grown in most parts of the country but can't take the cold.
The reasons you don't find as many mugos.
1.People in the U.S. are just now figuring out that these trees make excellent bonsai.
2.99% have to be found and developed from plain nursery stock. The way they are grown makes it hard for people without vision to find a tree in there. J.B.P. are single trunk,first branch,second branch trees that make it easier to build a tree.
3.Different timing for work. Most J.BP. practitioners try to use J.B.P. techniques on them and get their asses kicked.
4. Patience. Single flush tree. Slower growing than the J.B.P.
5. Looked down upon by a lot of bonsai people especially those that work J.B.P. as inferior trees for bonsai. I think it's because they like the easy pine tree. Not the one that takes more time and effort.
I don't have J.B.P. for a couple reasons.
Too expensive and the inability to take real cold.
Also,I like mugos.
One last thing. Judging from the amount of passengers on just this Mugo train and from things I'm seeing,like mugo pines showing up at bonsai nurseries there are going to be more and more mugo pines taking ribbons that used to go to J.B.P.
1. Been used as bonsai longer.
2.More information on the tree.
3. Most are trained as pre bonsai from the time they are sprouted.
4. Can be grown in most parts of the country but can't take the cold.
The reasons you don't find as many mugos.
1.People in the U.S. are just now figuring out that these trees make excellent bonsai.
2.99% have to be found and developed from plain nursery stock. The way they are grown makes it hard for people without vision to find a tree in there. J.B.P. are single trunk,first branch,second branch trees that make it easier to build a tree.
3.Different timing for work. Most J.BP. practitioners try to use J.B.P. techniques on them and get their asses kicked.
4. Patience. Single flush tree. Slower growing than the J.B.P.
5. Looked down upon by a lot of bonsai people especially those that work J.B.P. as inferior trees for bonsai. I think it's because they like the easy pine tree. Not the one that takes more time and effort.
I don't have J.B.P. for a couple reasons.
Too expensive and the inability to take real cold.
Also,I like mugos.
One last thing. Judging from the amount of passengers on just this Mugo train and from things I'm seeing,like mugo pines showing up at bonsai nurseries there are going to be more and more mugo pines taking ribbons that used to go to J.B.P.
aml1014
Masterpiece
Try looking it up coniferous plants make pollen too how else would they reproduce?
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
One of the labels, on one of the trees I featured in one of my Videos, says; they have no flowers. It just goes to show you that nursery labels can be wrong or even ignorant.
armetisius
Chumono
Precisely my point.
I do not know of any coniferous plant that is in flower in the entire Northern
Hemisphere at this time of year. Hence, "no flowers no pollen" production this
time of year. Thereby rendering pollen a moot point in your discussion of
insect infestation at this time of year.
Don't need the look up--have known for quite a while that nothing but weeds bloom in the fall.
Look around you in more than a cursory manner; this is your world too, pay it some attention.
aml1014
Masterpiece
When I get to work I'll try to remember to take a picture of three blue atlas cedars that are covered in wasps and bees all day everyday
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Hey,hey!
Don't make me come back there. I am the conductor on this train. Don't make me treat you like a couple of hobos and knock your heads together before I toss you off of the back of the caboose!
Don't make me come back there. I am the conductor on this train. Don't make me treat you like a couple of hobos and knock your heads together before I toss you off of the back of the caboose!
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Another passenger now boarding! Little fella.
From Vance.
From Vance.
VAFisher
Masterpiece
Got room for another passenger? I picked up the one on the left from Julian Adams a month or so ago. He also has a large cascade mugo (not for sale) that is very nice. I meant to take a pic for this thread but forgot.
And today, I was at the local nursery and found a bunch of 'valley cushion' mugos in the fairy garden section (I don't fairy garden by the way, just happened to see them). They were cheap so I picked up 3.
And today, I was at the local nursery and found a bunch of 'valley cushion' mugos in the fairy garden section (I don't fairy garden by the way, just happened to see them). They were cheap so I picked up 3.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
My RMJ is currently...but I think it's confused.
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armetisius
Chumono
I would not care if it were covered in chocolate covered ants.
They may be after something else that has settled on the plant or using some excretion
but there is no way that it is pollen born by the cedar.
aml1014
Masterpiece
Well then unfortunately sir in this case. I know what I know and apparently you know what you know so how's about we leave it at that.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Hey guys. I recently heard about elm pollen In the fall. Something unheard of they say.
Don't let climate change start a fight that is not against climate change.
I thought we had an observation car at the end of this train.?
We are on a freight?
Either way, hold their heads out the window till we hit a tunnel, we can use the bodies for fertilizer! And snacks!
I'm going to the lounge car. This is Bullshit.
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
Lest we forget, here is a link that might be of interest. It seems that the thread has gone in every direction from the middle. I don't know how we got on Junipers and JBP's but there ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=FPDj051K0KA&u=/watch?v=rYQhDbwIYBs&feature=em-upload_owner
http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=FPDj051K0KA&u=/watch?v=rYQhDbwIYBs&feature=em-upload_owner
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
For those of you that don't like links but prefer a direct view.
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