$50 Japanese maple nursery stock ideas

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I was at home Depot looking for something for work and happened to see this little guy sitting there and I couldn't help but pick him up usually maples at home Depot with a trunk this wide or like 150 bucks. Looks like it's got a decent navari already. Trunk chop and grow as broom style? Or try to get him to back bud closer down on that curved branch and make that the new leader after a trunk chop? Just going to fertilize and watch it's growing habits for a while looks like they recently chopped some branches off down low on the trunk that I sure would have liked to have more material. Thanks in advance guys.
 

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why did you buy it?
Typically you buy a tree because you have some idea what you like about it.
Hard to decide for us what you like about the tree.

It is a young plant with decades ahead of it. Decide what you see in it.
 
I bought it because of the thick trunk and cheap price point. I have nothing that resembles a mature or finished bonsai despite playing around for the last 10 years with no training or mentors and learning more from my mistakes of what not to do. I like his trunk and taper and that it already has some movement, I like the somewhat established nebari. I don't like the 90 degree angle of the lowest branch. What I envisioned when it caught my eye was a broom style after trunk chop and removal of first branch, however I can also see an informal upright in 10-20 years (which has always been the most pleasing to the eyes in my opinion) due to no branch structure development low on trunk, could always attempt grafting something , but you work with what the tree has not what you want it to be.
I was just asking for opinions and sharing what I found. It's only about 6" or less from rootbase to first branch, and I think a broom style from major trunk chop to first node above first branch could make a fun project and has two nice sections that could be air layered.
I enjoy bonsainut because of all the information I learn, but also to hear the input from experienced enthusiasts, maybe someone sees something I don't. Have no friends that share my hobby and my wife is sick of me explaining my visions or plans for my trees.
 
These photos are what I like about it. Roots, trunk thickness, taper, and movement. I feel like the 90 degree turn of that first branch is too extreme to be the new leader if I went informal. I can also envision hard cutting that back and making it branch one in an informal, it just has years of growth/thickness over anything else I would grow out on the opposite side.
 

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Personally I agree with the chop point SeanS suggested, otherwise (in my very limited experience) at least removing the branch coming out at a horizontal angle. I say that because to my eye, it's not flowing nicely with the tree - if the experienced ones disagree please do explain the reason so I can learn. :)
 
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I’ve been through a number (ok a lot) of Home Depot JMs. I tend to agree that for $150 it is worth it to pick one up, especially if the roots are looking decent (otherwise it’s airlayer material). I look at these trees as no more than a short thick trunk, with everything else being essentially sacrificial. I’ll just let the tree grow until the lower few inches of trunk is the desired thickness. Then chop like shibui suggested and begin growing the next section. Chops on my Home Depot maples have been a mixed bag with die back and even death on blind cuts. nowadays I’ll just go slower and chop straight to an existing branch and carve later.

Take layers or you will be back at Home Depot next year looking for more. $150 is a good price. $0.00 is much better. And you’ll get good roots.
 
It was $50 at home Depot normally they are about $150 and for the size of the trunk and the price I figured it was worth the low investment to play around with and yes I see two great air layers, I've never grown broom style but typically when you cut a maple doesn't it shoot like five or six vertical shoots upwards which could essentially be styled like a broom? I do like the trunk chop at the lowest bud, for it to be successful shouldn't I let that grow out longer?
 
And yeah that angle of that first branch bothers me. Maybe if it's sprouted some buds closer to the trunk I could do a hard cut back on it before it starts sweeping up but I don't want a tree that's going to be 18 in tall like all of mine end up looking like they will be when I'm finished. I know when you start an air layer the roots are still sending nutrients up to the top (but it's no longer allowing the sugar or the photosynthesis to go back down to the roots?) correct me if I'm wrong please. If I start an air layer cuz that cause the tree to back bud lower like a hard prune or a chop does? Or would those have to be done one year at a time. I'm sure I could look this all up so I apologize for asking something I could probably research.
 
I've never grown broom style but typically when you cut a maple doesn't it shoot like five or six vertical shoots upwards which could essentially be styled like a broom?
so this is what I’ve read about JMs, tridents and Chinese elms as well. But I never get the bunch o’ shoots on an elm for a broom and definitely not on maples upon chopping. Assuming all goes well, I get a shoot here and there on different nodes. I actually chopped an “S” shaped elm down to a stub this season in the hopes I would get a broom started. I got 2 buds a few inches below the cut and 2 more closer to the base.
 
It was $50 at home Depot normally they are about $150 and for the size of the trunk and the price I figured it was worth the low investment to play around with and yes I see two great air layers, I've never grown broom style but typically when you cut a maple doesn't it shoot like five or six vertical shoots upwards which could essentially be styled like a broom? I do like the trunk chop at the lowest bud, for it to be successful shouldn't I let that grow out longer?
A maple only has 2 bud area were internode, so if it does produce 5/6 shoots they will all be coming from the same 2 opposite spots on the trunk and will very quickly cause inverse taper and be unaesthetic. If you aren’t too concerned with growing aesthetically pleasing trees then by all means.
I’ve just never really seen JMs grow in broom styles besides maybe kiyohime which for whatever reason tend to lend themselves to the style.
My choice would be chopping to the first existing shoot and growing it out some more and then following up with subsequent chops.
 
A maple only has 2 bud area were internode
I did not know that. Does this mean that if a node is growing branches on the east and west sides that it will never grow branches from the north and south sides of the node?
 
I did not know that. Does this mean that if a node is growing branches on the east and west sides that it will never grow branches from the north and south sides of the node?
Correct. But more buds around the east and west nodes can give clusters of shoots that may grow in all directions but they all start from those 2 opposite points.
My impression is that this may not always be the case. I would need to check more closely when making chops on older maples and larger branches but my feeling is we may get new buds all round the node on older wood?
If I start an air layer cuz that cause the tree to back bud lower like a hard prune or a chop does? Or would those have to be done one year at a time.
Layering will simulate a chop so lower shoots usually start or grow stronger due to less growth regulators coming down from the upper parts.

The first branch on this maple could look OK if the trunk was tilted a bit further to the right so the change of direction was not quite so pronounced. Unfortunately, looks like the main roots are not conducive to further tilt that direction. That probably brings us back to the lower chop again.
 
A maple only has 2 bud area were internode, so if it does produce 5/6 shoots they will all be coming from the same 2 opposite spots on the trunk and will very quickly cause inverse taper and be unaesthetic. If you aren’t too concerned with growing aesthetically pleasing trees then by all means.
I’ve just never really seen JMs grow in broom styles besides maybe kiyohime which for whatever reason tend to lend themselves to the style.
My choice would be chopping to the first existing shoot and growing it out some more and then following up with subsequent chops.
No I do not want to grow something that is aesthetically unpleasing, my whole passion/fascination with the art is to grow something of beauty, and the meditative-like state I get of tuning out all the normal day to day problems and anxieties we all face, and simply staring at one of my trees for an hour or more and just envisioning what it could be, and learning how to manipulate the tree to achieve this.

And to your next post, the lower trunk does have some movement but yes like you stated, repotting it at a different angle wouldn't quite work if I wanted to keep the existing nebari. What drew me to this tree was the roots, trunk diameter, taper (although not so important if I chop to that first shoot) and extremely cheap price point in relation to the rest of the nursery stock I see in my area.

Thank you for the information on the air-layering while still trying to stimulate growth further down the trunk! To be quite frank I have never successfully made an air layer, however I have only tried in the very beginning of my journey into the art, and both were on very old ground grown plants, one bloodgood maple at my mother's that I now don't think would make a good bonsai, and the other on a giant juniper that was more tree than shrub, but I was younger and over eager and impatient. That bloodgood my mother had in a concrete circle in her back yard patio for like 15 years and died a few years after I tried the air layer so perhaps it wasn't truly thriving and strong.

I live in California in the East Bay area, I think we are right around the ideal time to start an air layer. This is a question to the more successful artists here, have you had more luck with the standard scraping up to an inch of bark down to cambium later or the tourniquet method? Obviously specifically with Japanese maples but I am interested in anyone's experience with either method as long as they share what type of tree they had success with.
 
Oops I apologize, I responded to both SeanS and Shibui in that previous post like they were the same person commenting. Thank you SeanS and thank you Shibui for your time to look at my post and respond and give opinions and advice. From the roots to that first shoot is probably only 3" if that information helps or matters to either of you. I would like to air layer the top two trunks, and seeing as how the tree has no established lower branches of any use I think I would like to follow SeanS advice and chop to that first shoot. If I'm incorrect please correct me, but I believe I have the right timing of the growth season to attempt to air layer both those top branches, and from what I have read it takes 4-8 weeks to get decent roots? So then I would be still in summer of my region but nearing the end, and would then trunk chop to that first shoot this year? I have made major chops to a maple branch with just a few leaves and haven't had anything die back so far, I usually leave a stub to deal with in subsequent year or two. Never made a chop this drastic down to just one shoot on the very bottom of tree, and have on the past made chops at the beginning of summer to allow some growth to harden before dormancy.
 
Side note, thank you Shibui for your advice on my JPB last year, it is thriving and do exactly what one could hope for. I will post a picture of the tree on that thread if you are still receiving updates on it, the tree responding very well to the strong chops of both trunk and branches and is pushing new growth this year like a champ! Your advice has always been helpful and supportive and I just want to thank you again for taking the time to respond to amateurs like me still figuring the art out!
 
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