shohin_branches
Chumono
Oh no what if you get tricked into reducing AIR POLLUTION. The horror!
2023 Heat and drought death tolls
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caffeinated
Mame
Well no, you didn’t just report actual facts, you said it was the 68th hottest summer on record and thats not even close to the truth. Sure, you can interpret data many ways but they do actually have meaning. The meaning you ascribe to them very largely depends on context. Me being an idiot, and I often am, doesn’t change that.
edit to add: ah shit, derailing the thread again and it was getting back on track. I’ll add like five extra photos to some mandatory photo thread, Or something.
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That sounds like ur mentality branches, not mine.
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
My dear BNutters,
I know our opinions vary greatly. Climate is a very complex issue. We don't have enough data to say definitively what we can and should do. There are big scale changes from the earth, solar system, and the universe for which we truly don't have a good understanding and perhaps cannot change. However, there are changes to micro-climate that we can do. As an engineer who has spent a lifetime wracking my brain looking for things that can reduce emissions to the environment, I can say that on a small scale we can make good changes. By lining and monitoring our landfills, we can prevent heavy metals from leaching into the aquifer, causing bio issues for all creatures that need the water. By improving the efficiency of our chemical processes, we can lessen our air emissions etc.
I just wish that those who are passionate about the environment understand that people like me are trying our best to provide the goods and services we all need while equally protecting the environment. It's not all about profit regardless of cost to the environment. I truly believe that the vast majority of engineers and industry workers of today are just like me. The people I dislike are the ones who pontificate yet do nothing or worse yet make profits from the passion for environment of the people. Screaming to me that human are the scourge of the earth and I will challenge you to remove yourself from the rank of scourges.
Now back to our topic, this puny thread is not the stage to debate for major environment changes and improvement. Yet on a micro level, we can share with one another information about the things we lost and perhaps what we think we can change to protect our precious bonsai from the harsh climate of this type if it comes around again.
PS: I am going to add one BC to the list of victims of the heat wave. Collected earlier this year, the BC was a little behind others in development but did push out buds and branches. However, instead of breaking through and flourishing, it never developed good roots and slowly regressed. With each week where the temperatures are in the 100's, it loses a little bit more leaves. I think it is on it's last legs. I have tried everything I know that have worked on BCs yet this one just is not going to make it I am afraid.
I know our opinions vary greatly. Climate is a very complex issue. We don't have enough data to say definitively what we can and should do. There are big scale changes from the earth, solar system, and the universe for which we truly don't have a good understanding and perhaps cannot change. However, there are changes to micro-climate that we can do. As an engineer who has spent a lifetime wracking my brain looking for things that can reduce emissions to the environment, I can say that on a small scale we can make good changes. By lining and monitoring our landfills, we can prevent heavy metals from leaching into the aquifer, causing bio issues for all creatures that need the water. By improving the efficiency of our chemical processes, we can lessen our air emissions etc.
I just wish that those who are passionate about the environment understand that people like me are trying our best to provide the goods and services we all need while equally protecting the environment. It's not all about profit regardless of cost to the environment. I truly believe that the vast majority of engineers and industry workers of today are just like me. The people I dislike are the ones who pontificate yet do nothing or worse yet make profits from the passion for environment of the people. Screaming to me that human are the scourge of the earth and I will challenge you to remove yourself from the rank of scourges.
Now back to our topic, this puny thread is not the stage to debate for major environment changes and improvement. Yet on a micro level, we can share with one another information about the things we lost and perhaps what we think we can change to protect our precious bonsai from the harsh climate of this type if it comes around again.
PS: I am going to add one BC to the list of victims of the heat wave. Collected earlier this year, the BC was a little behind others in development but did push out buds and branches. However, instead of breaking through and flourishing, it never developed good roots and slowly regressed. With each week where the temperatures are in the 100's, it loses a little bit more leaves. I think it is on it's last legs. I have tried everything I know that have worked on BCs yet this one just is not going to make it I am afraid.
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
Unfortunately this is becoming the norm and will continue to happen.
Species that are adapted to survive in cooler weather with cooler winters wont adapt to conditions where those no longer exist.
So the only real choice we have is to either:
1. Give up on species that will no longer survive where we are, or
2. Move to where the species you want to keep will survive
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
I agree with the bolded line. However, even with species that can survive the heat like my BCs, there are things we can do to keep them a bit healthier.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
BCs are fortunate to be able to handle a wide range of environmental parameters. While they are all over where you are, they also grow up here quite well.
I think just keeping up on watering needs and perhaps providing shade during the very hot days can help but for some species it won't be enough particularly when faced with too warm winter repeating itself.
I have species here that I am becoming concerned about. JWP, scotts, mugos and larch mostly
What are you concerned about with these Paradox?
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
We are getting increasingly warmer winters or what I call un-winters. We barely had snow last year here.
The species I listed like cold winters
Yes they do. What is it, something like below 45F for 2-3 months. I thought it was cold in NY.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
You want below 40F.
NY is a big state with a wide range of temperatures.
I am in southern NY. We haven't had what I call a "cold winter" in a few years. The last 2 or 3 winters was 50-60 on Christmas day which is nuts, not normal at all. Last winter, we had 6 days or so below 30 and we had one dusting of snow and one other storm that dropped 4 inches that was gone in 2 days or less. We barely had ice form on the creeks and ponds. We used to get several storms dropping 6 inches or more a winter.
Hearing we might actually get winter this year if you believe the Farmers Almanac.
We will see if they are right.
Yes I heard that also. You could move out here and we could have a two man club. We don't worry about trees getting dormant around here.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
It has crossed my mind to move but I think if I were to move north, it would be back to my home state of Maine. Maybe after I retire in a few years hopefully
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Maine BRRRRRR...
Too cold for dis here Cajun.
Stormwater
Shohin
Welcome back
I’ll give you the maine report… it’s all screwed up here as well. Warm winters and really erratic summers. I lost a bunch of trees this spring and early summer not because of heat and drought (that was more the issue a couple years back) but because we had almost no sun until the end of August… and now it’s been in the 90’s
.This is how my back yard normally looks
(Tree for effect
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And this is how it looked right through July
I will admit it was nice to have waterfront property for a minute. I never had the opportunity to canoe through the woods back there before.
@Paradox where in Maine are you from?
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Welcome back to bonsai.
Great suggestion on the sunshade. I need to get some for my JMs in Louisiana.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
I’ll give you the maine report… it’s all screwed up here as well. Warm winters and really erratic summers. I lost a bunch of trees this spring and early summer not because of heat and drought (that was more the issue a couple years back) but because we had almost no sun until the end of August… and now it’s been in the 90’s
This is how my back yard normally looks
(Tree for effect
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And this is how it looked right through July
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I will admit it was nice to have waterfront property for a minute. I never had the opportunity to canoe through the woods back there before.
@Paradox where in Maine are you from?
I lived and have family just north of Lewiston
milehigh_7
Mister 500,000
On the upside I have been growing where summer temps spend quite a lot of time over 110F for about 25 years. If anyone needs a list of plants or things that help in these conditions just give me a shout! I'm always happy to share the little bit that I have learned. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a bunch of 'Little Ollie' dwarf olives that need some attention. By the way these sat in 120F with sun until 2pm and have not missed a beat.
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
The thing is I couldn't handle those temperatures. I hate it when it gets over 85 here.
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