A True Bonsai Tree

[Vance Wood]

Brilliant: to quote one of the favorite concepts from Harry Potter.

 

[It's Kev]

A really true Bonsai tree should be at least 100 years old & Created-Grown-Trained by a Japanese or Chinese Master Gardener in Japan or China...Anything else should be considered a Bonsai Look A Like.

A really true Penjing would also have to follow these Guidlines..

Some quality stuff I’m missing when I’m not here every day

 

[AppleBonsai]

Based upon this precedent setting concept, the Japanese, et al, need to stop calling what their baseball teams do, "baseball". I guess they should call it imitation baseball. That would make it really difficult to play exhibition games, us there or them here: They might get mixed up and have both teams at bat at the same time or everybody out in the field because, well... just because they'd have two different kinds of teams playing each other. The Japanese might not be able to learn the complex tasks like, "hit the ball and run".

By the way, the moon IS made of cheese.

You must only play with 100 year old jock strap

 

[Smoke]

You must only play with 100 year old jock strap

Hell, the picture of my thong is already 13 years old....

 

[AppleBonsai]

Hell, the picture of my thong is already 13 years old....

Al, your thong will live on in many hearts long after you’ve gone.

 

[Smoke]

Gesundheit!!!


....sorry....

 

[TN_Jim]

Vance...Bonsai is derivative of a Cultural practice of Japan growing dwarfed trees for show and collection and is a carry over from the Chinese Cultural practice of Penjing....these two Cultural events are thousands of years old.
Modern day American Bonsai, post WWll, is simply duplicating or making look a like trees of Asian Culture....
Although many modern day Bonsai Gardeners (like you & many others on BonsaiNut) excel in creating look a like Bonsai, not true Bonsai...
Major modern day American, Asian & European Bonsai growers are producing for the huge World Wide consumer market...
True Bonsai growers go back to the early non commercial collecting and show days of pre WWll and much earlier....
Although I respect and admire your work and others work it is simply not old enough to be other than a look a like Bonsai...
That's my interpretation of modern day Bonsai and I'm sticking to it.....
Chuck
PS... the proof is the Historical context of Penjing Bonsai....

So a Toyota is not a car because it was not produced by that racist hank ford? Potattao

 

[TN_Jim]

Count me out for the tacos tonight, I'm on a semi-diet : had some courgettes from my graden thinly sliced with onions and shallots, on top of which I put some eggs, then put back the lid again on the frying pan so the top of the eggs go white. A bit of tabasco on top when in the plate - my regards to the southern culture of the US.

Soon, fresh pasta, tortellini filled with ricotta and spinach. Good for my health

Tabasco?....should really treat yourself better friend

 

[BunjaeKorea]

Based upon this precedent setting concept, the Japanese, et al, need to stop calling what their baseball teams do, "baseball". I guess they should call it imitation baseball. That would make it really difficult to play exhibition games, us there or them here: They might get mixed up and have both teams at bat at the same time or everybody out in the field because, well... just because they'd have two different kinds of teams playing each other. The Japanese might not be able to learn the complex tasks like, "hit the ball and run".

By the way, the moon IS made of cheese.

Besu boru?

 

[BonsaiNaga13]

Also by the Auracs of Trinidad WI some 2000 years ago from
Olmec influence - sticks out tongue

Anthony

Hmmmm, all of my “bonsai” seems more influenced by Budweiser and Miller Lite. Never heard of Olmec, I’ll have to try some. Bet they make a good IPA.
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Nah but they got tequila

 

[BonsaiNaga13]

A really true Bonsai tree should be at least 100 years old & Created-Grown-Trained by a Japanese or Chinese Master Gardener in Japan or China...Anything else should be considered a Bonsai Look A Like.

A really true Penjing would also have to follow these Guidlines..

The Real Bonsai people here know exactly what I mean...
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This is hate speech, hes attempting to incite a riot!

 

[BonsaiNaga13]

The best response to a troll is silence.

Or put a tack on his chair

 

[Vance Wood]

Bolero: Your vision is to accept as true a concept that bonsai tree must be designed by a Japanese master and be over 100 yrs old; thus setting a parameter that you have no hope of crossing therefore you do not try. My friend your bonsai vision is untrue.

 

[Bolero]

Bolero: Your vision is to accept as true a concept that bonsai tree must be designed by a Japanese master and be over 100 yrs old; thus setting a parameter that you have no hope of crossing therefore you do not try. My friend your bonsai vision is untrue.

Vance, wrong....My Bonsai understanding as in my OP is that a True Bonsai is more of a Historical Cultural Concept than it is being a Modern Day Artistic Endeavor, I'm sorry that so many including yourself have taken this so personal, please accept my apologys, I did not mean to offend anyone or their beautiful Bonsai Look Alikes ....

 

[Vance Wood]

Vance, wrong....My Bonsai understanding as in my OP is that a True Bonsai is more of a Historical Cultural Concept than it is being a Modern Day Artistic Endeavor, I'm sorry that so many including yourself have taken this so personal, please accept my apologys, I did not mean to offend anyone or their beautiful Bonsai Look Alikes ....

You my friend; cannot prove that your Premiss, a True Bonsai is more of a Historical Cultural Concept than it is a Modern Day Artistic Endeavor. The prameters you place upon that assumption are equally lacking in validity.

 

[Adair M]

Bolero, there is nothing in the definition of “bonsai” that says it has to be 100 years old. There is nothing that says it is a “Historical Cultural Concept”.

There are certain bonsai that have been given an award: “an Important Cultural Masterpiece”. But they don’t have to be 100 years old to receive the designation. They also give it to pots, as well.

Let’s take Kimura’s trees, for example. Specifically, this one:



Would you say this is a “true bonsai”? Why? Or Why not?

I chose this tree of Kimura’s because I thought you would like it, since you seem to like landscape plantings.

I would love to hear your thoughts on it.

 

[DirkvanDreven]

What was the Ignore button for??

 

[BonsaiNaga13]

Anyone can grow trees and they can call them Steve Bob and Jimmy if they like. Get that stick out your ass. I'm gonna start calling my 1 year old seedlings bonsai just cuz I given zero fucks about your biased rhetoric. What is the bonsai police gonna confiscate all our trees? Get off your high horse.

 

[wireme]

A really true Bonsai tree should be at least 100 years old & Created-Grown-Trained by a Japanese or Chinese Master Gardener in Japan or China...Anything else should be considered a Bonsai Look A Like.

A really true Penjing would also have to follow these Guidlines..

I can almost understand this, trying to view it from a historical perspective but can’t quite pull it off. I can understand holding a personal view of what makes a bonsai a bonsai and requiring some sort of standard to be met.

On the other hand I can consider the intent of a containerized tree to be an effort to capture the essence and wonder of nature in a displayable form that can be kept at ones home and serve to connect a person with the natural world. That can be viewed as the true soul of bonsai, if a tree in a pot is maintained and viewed with that intent the history, age, quality of work... everything becomes irrelevant.

That’s more or less the premise of the juniper 4:33 planting that I started this spring.

Polar opposite of the view you have stated but still valid IMO.

Alternatively I sometimes like to not consider a tree a bonsai until it reaches a state upon which I would be comfortable to enter it into a show without embarrassment, I kinda like that definition too.

 

[Smoke]

What was the Ignore button for??

ahhh... you misunderstand what the ignore button is really for. It is not a button designed to use willy nilly. It is a button designed to give you peace of mind.

For instance... About a year ago I put M. Frary on ignore. I love his posts, they are funny. Then for some reason he decided to be vindictive in a political sort of way and denigrate people that were politically important to me. There is no reason to do that in a civilised USA. Like Trump says, if you don't like it leave. So... if someone that wants to be so political and never show any trees worthy of countering the negative ideas they espouse, screw them, I ignore them.

The same thing with Anthony, he knows everything about bonsai and tells you daily, but has never made a tree in his life. He is just using up bandwidth.

Same with Sorce. Sure he may be funny and give hillbilly answers, but if your intention is to come here and really learn something about bonsai, Sorce is not your teacher.


Now Bolero! Putting him on ignore is a bad idea. Bolero is pure entertainment. To miss reading the next installment of this crazy bastard is to miss the next great stand up comedian. Bolero is the "Larry the Cable Guy" of bonsai.