BackyardBonsai
Shohin
I attribute this to culture difference.Uh, it couldn't be the way you put "look at yourself...Blindly following what "master"... Yeah, it's me
What cases / when is it right, aesthetically-speaking, to ignore the rule of "angle the tree toward the viewer"?
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Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Great reply!Uh, it couldn't be the way you put "look at yourself...Blindly following what "master"... Yeah, it's me
BackyardBonsai
Shohin
You are just great at this!
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
"Don't ask me to show my trees. You don't need to have any tree to see how silly these look"
Well, um, seeing your actual work would put some perspective on what you're talking about. Particularly when it comes to your criticism of rote blind following of masters...Let's see what YOU have done. Money talks, Bullshit walks.
BackyardBonsai
Shohin
I don't spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on trees so I don't have anything as special at yours. What I can tell you is what I have won't be looking silly from the sides or back.
I want to add that my do NOT go to Big Show like Bolero!
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rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Yeah, "won't" is quite a tell...
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
And for clarity, by "money talks" I mean "show us an ACTUAL tree you've worked on"--ANY tree-- from $15 mallsai to whatever. I well understand that great bonsai come from all kinds of sources, and one doesn't have to spend hundreds or, Jesus--thousands to make a great one. JUST SHOW US A TREE you've worked on.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
I am pretty far from profound. Like Yogi Berra might have said "SOMETIMES a broken clock is right twice a day"
davetree
Omono
My favorite Yogi Berra quote - “If you don’t think so good, try not to think so much”
bonsaichile
Omono
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
Took you two days to come up with that reply? LOL. Good work
I didn't make any assumptions, I asked you to tell me about your bonsai experience. Which you still haven't. I wonder why...
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
I have a hard time deciding whether,
or
are my fav's (perhaps I paraphrase and am not accurately citing what he said; perhaps these aren't his words at all, but they are definitely Yogi-isms).
I prized my Yogi Berra bat when I was a kid.
Played catcher for consistency emulating my idol.
What a philosopher he was.
What kind of bonsai would he have made, if ... ?
Ok, let’s get the thread back on track...
I was unaware of the forward lean think for a long time. I was totally unaware that the trees I admired in photographs leaned forward, especially to the degree that they do. Once I started emulating this technique, my trees began improving. By leaps and bounds. So, I’m a fan of it.
If you can make a tree without it leaning forward, and you think it looks good, more power to ya. Formal uprights, which includes broom style, should not have a lean.
Cascades are another special case, but with them, even the lowest drop branch should be coming towards the viewer, not away from the viewer.
So... next time you see a tree that you really like, take a minute to examine it from the side, if you can. I think you’ll find that it does in fact lean towards the front.
I was unaware of the forward lean think for a long time. I was totally unaware that the trees I admired in photographs leaned forward, especially to the degree that they do. Once I started emulating this technique, my trees began improving. By leaps and bounds. So, I’m a fan of it.
If you can make a tree without it leaning forward, and you think it looks good, more power to ya. Formal uprights, which includes broom style, should not have a lean.
Cascades are another special case, but with them, even the lowest drop branch should be coming towards the viewer, not away from the viewer.
So... next time you see a tree that you really like, take a minute to examine it from the side, if you can. I think you’ll find that it does in fact lean towards the front.
ihaveaspaceship
Shohin
Here are good photos of long trained bonsai from last years kokufu.
Some have a lean, some seem centered.
Some have a lean, some seem centered.
Here are some shots of this year’s Kokofu-ten during the set up process:
These shots, since they were taken down the aisle, show the sides of the trees.
And, from what I can see, they all seem to have a forward lean.
These shots, since they were taken down the aisle, show the sides of the trees.
And, from what I can see, they all seem to have a forward lean.
There’s a video in that post of the snow on an outside sales table at Kokofu-ten. But, again, you can see the trees leaning forward.
Here’s a triple trunk tree. Not very much forward lean, until the apex:
The left trunk moves forward. The back trunk, moves to the back. (Duh!) But not at a steep angle back. As upward as possible. It’s apex does move towards the back, so that it wouldnt be under the canopy of the tallest trunk.
The tall trunk wiggles a bit over both the other trunks (to show dominance, I guess) then tips the apex towards the front.
The left trunk moves forward. The back trunk, moves to the back. (Duh!) But not at a steep angle back. As upward as possible. It’s apex does move towards the back, so that it wouldnt be under the canopy of the tallest trunk.
The tall trunk wiggles a bit over both the other trunks (to show dominance, I guess) then tips the apex towards the front.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Ran across this blog post from Bill Valavanis on his trip to this year's Kokufu Exhibition in Japan at the beginning of the month.
Scroll down to the "A Private Visit to Omiya Bonsai Village" and look about ten photos in for the photo of the trident in the "blue container" Also look at the trees on the benches overhead shots of the nursery--Notice anything familiar about many of them--FORWARD LEAN....
https://valavanisbonsaiblog.com/
Scroll down to the "A Private Visit to Omiya Bonsai Village" and look about ten photos in for the photo of the trident in the "blue container" Also look at the trees on the benches overhead shots of the nursery--Notice anything familiar about many of them--FORWARD LEAN....
https://valavanisbonsaiblog.com/
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Perhaps the idea is to look at your native trees and build
your designs off of them,
The Oriental view, you build on, but some form of informed
mental growth should take place.
Your own standards and perhaps a different way of seeing
that is neither a copy or a reaction.
An evolution.
Good Day
Anthony
your designs off of them,
The Oriental view, you build on, but some form of informed
mental growth should take place.
Your own standards and perhaps a different way of seeing
that is neither a copy or a reaction.
An evolution.
Good Day
Anthony
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Great thread guys. I've learned a lot from this discussion.
Btw the green island ficus on my desk got a work out because of the thread.
Btw the green island ficus on my desk got a work out because of the thread.
