Las Vegas...

Mike you wrote: They use extreme vetting on people who want to come into this country right? So they can be screened for terrorist thoughts.Right? To keep them from killing U.S. citizens. The guy that did New York a couple of weeks ago was brought here on a lottery and was not vetted at all. The guy that shot up the church was not supposed to have a weapon at all because he was dishonerably discharged and not allowed to have a weapon let alone buy one Mike you wrote:They use extreme vetting on people who want to come into this country right? wrong, this lottery program goes around that. Mike you wrote: It takes a big bore hunting gun to work in this situation. So unless you're packing a .30/06 You're screwed. Not true, if you can hit your target you can bring it down if you hit it in the right spot. The face you are hitting the guy at all is enough to cause him to flee.
 
The guy that did New York
Didn't use an assault rifle.
Extreme vetting for the purchase of assault rifles and hand guns should be implemented.
These things are killing Americans at a faster rate than terrorists are.
If a good comprehensive background check had been in ave this would not have happened.
I'm not against guns. Just against guns that are designed to kill people in large amounts.
Could you hit a gunman from a sitting position while he's firing pounds of lead?
I don't think so. And you too might even kill an innocent or 2 in fear. And if you do you aren't guaranteed he will flee. He just might shoot you because you presented a danger. Especially if he's wearing Kevlar like this guy.
In church too.
Thou shalt not kill. The 5th commandment.
Doesn't specify self defense.
So if a person is a real Christian and goes to church with a gun to shoot an intruder and actually get lucky enough to be a hero on earth but at the pearly gates he still has a body on his record does he get in?
He killed someone. So his eternal soul has to burn forever.
 
Wait...what? Things weren't as bad back in the late 90's either in the US.
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And there does seem to be at least a correlation from number of guns to mass shootings.


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sorry I wasn't aware you were going with the definition that a mass shooting only occurs if 4 or more people die. But if a gunman opens fire in the street and only kills 2 or 3 people before stopping or being taken down. well that's just an accident right.
this is where I got my info
By your logic we should have no laws as criminals will break them......
Nope we have plenty of laws to keep people in line. you are aware its against the law to shoot people right?
I had friends and family in the mass shooting in Vegas (my nephew was 15ft from one of the victims) and they feel the same way I do. It wasn't the gun that shot those people.............You do get that a gun is an inanimate object right?

I just don't think its fair to take away the laws this country was founded on.

I don't even own a gun and don't plan on it but that is a right we have in this country.
 
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Didn't use an assault rifle.
Extreme vetting for the purchase of assault rifles and hand guns should be implemented.
These things are killing Americans at a faster rate than terrorists are.
If a good comprehensive background check had been in ave this would not have happened.
I'm not against guns. Just against guns that are designed to kill people in large amounts.
Could you hit a gunman from a sitting position while he's firing pounds of lead?
I don't think so. And you too might even kill an innocent or 2 in fear. And if you do you aren't guaranteed he will flee. He just might shoot you because you presented a danger. Especially if he's wearing Kevlar like this guy.
In church too.
Thou shalt not kill. The 5th commandment.
Doesn't specify self defense.
So if a person is a real Christian and goes to church with a gun to shoot an intruder and actually get lucky enough to be a hero on earth but at the pearly gates he still has a body on his record does he get in?
He killed someone. So his eternal soul has to burn forever.

These things are killing Americans at a faster rate than terrorists are.
-but not faster than unlicensed drivers who kill almost as many each year as ALL gun crimes - but wheres the public outrage/debate to deal with the illegal immigrants and dui convictions etc who take over 8k lives annually? i mean seriously - the media,politicians and antigunners like to paint it as a national epidemic - but are silent when it comes to every other area where even more lives are lost. why is that?

If a good comprehensive background check had been in ave this would not have happened.
-there IS a comprehensive background check required and like a lot of other areas - the govt screwed it up too. following laws already on the books would be a good place to start. the guy was NOT eligible to buy anything in the first place and if the guy was removed from society for fracturing the skull of a CHILD along with his ex - maybe wouldnt have been on the streets in the first place. instead he was working as a security guard - how does that ever happen? i cant even get my meal at mcdonalds filled correctly - so i dont have a lot of faith in the govt's ability to do what they are supposed to do either.

I'm not against guns. Just against guns that are designed to kill people in large amounts.
- im against gun free zones where people have no way to defend themselves -which is where pretty much every mass shooting has occurred in. the killing in large amounts, that just isnt realistic. in that environment, the guy would have been just as effective with almost any modern weapon -the only limiting factors would have been the amount of ammo he carried.

Could you hit a gunman from a sitting position while he's firing pounds of lead?
-damn straight i could - and my petite little 16 year old could too. the way the guy ran off when encountered shows the cowardice and weakness of these people and reinforces the fact that in MANY defensive gun uses cases - merely presenting a firearm is sufficient to disperse a threat without ever firing a round. this is a fact that never gets any media attn.

I don't think so. And you too might even kill an innocent or 2 in fear. And if you do you aren't guaranteed he will flee. He just might shoot you because you presented a danger. Especially if he's wearing Kevlar like this guy.
- is it possible someone could kill an innocent or 2 by mistake - possibly - but i dont see how removing ones ability to defend themselves at all, helps eliminate or reduce that number. ive heard conflicting reports - im not sure the guy was wearing armor and was instead wearing tactical style vests/molle pouches for additional mags. to me - theres no sense in playing what if's - the underlying point is at least give victims a fighting chance to defend themselves and stop an attack.

So if a person is a real Christian and goes to church with a gun to shoot an intruder and actually get lucky enough to be a hero on earth but at the pearly gates he still has a body on his record does he get in?
He killed someone. So his eternal soul has to burn forever.
- i think the general belief is that there is only one sin that is unforgivable, but its not that one. either way, im willing to risk it to save my life or another's.
 
How is a meme saying guns aren't the problem not relevant to this argument.
Or is it not relevant to your defense?
It's not relevant, because it is a lost argument when one must resort to taking the marginal case, or outlying example, .... and tries to suggest it is representative the wider case norm. ;)
 
sorry I wasn't aware you were going with the definition that a mass shooting only occurs if 4 or more people die. But if a gunman opens fire in the street and only kills 2 or 3 people before stopping or being taken down. well that's just an accident right.
this is where I got my info

Sorry but I was using the generally accepted method as defined by the FBI. So what's your point?
That only goes back to 2013 so really doesn't support your argument about Australia which instituted more severe gun control in 1998. The point of the data I showed is to show that mass shooting frequency and number of guns in circulation are correlated, and that mass shooting in the US was much lower in 1998.

Nope we have plenty of laws to keep people in line. you are aware its against the law to shoot people right?
I had friends and family in the mass shooting in Vegas (my nephew was 15ft from one of the victims) and they feel the same way I do. It wasn't the gun that shot those people.............You do get that a gun is an inanimate object right?

I just don't think its fair to take away the laws this country was founded on.

Yes I get it is an inanimate object, that is designed to make killing easier, so we are then surprised when it is used this way? So let's make it more difficult for them to fall in the hands of these people. How about some real screening including an interview of family members and neighbors, a psychological evaluation and a training course that has to be passed?

What like slavery? Women's rights etc.? As society evolves so too do our laws.
 
Personally I don't think any kind of gun control, or population control, or even thought police can solve what's wrong with America. We have forgotten what made us great and have allowed those things that divide us to become the absolute center of our existence. Instead of compromising and discussing we go to the streets and soon we will be killing each other and George Soros will be rubbing his hands together with glee seeing what he has caused to happen. Because we have gotten away from the first unifying factor in our culture instead of praying for revival we will vilify that idea as fantasy and nonsense. So we embrace our own destruction and refuse to turn to the one thing that can help. We will in the end scream and yell at each other like animals caught in a sucking swamp where the louder we scream and struggle the worse our fates become, and we sink deeper in mire and muck of our own sins for the lack of a better word.
 
How is a meme saying guns aren't the problem not relevant to this argument.
Or is it not relevant to your defense?
Because the argument is about mass shootings and last time I looked they used guns...

In any case a meme doesn't belong anywhere outside of Facebook. They contribute nothing to the discussion but a bit of snark.
 
Personally I don't think any kind of gun control, or population control, or even thought police can solve what's wrong with America. We have forgotten what made us great and have allowed those things that divide us to become the absolute center of our existence. Instead of compromising and discussing we go to the streets and soon we will be killing each other and George Soros will be rubbing his hands together with glee seeing what he has caused to happen. Because we have gotten away from the first unifying factor in our culture instead of praying for revival we will vilify that idea as fantasy and nonsense. So we embrace our own destruction and refuse to turn to the one thing that can help. We will in the end scream and yell at each other like animals caught in a sucking swamp where the louder we scream and struggle the worse our fates become, and we sink deeper in mire and muck of our own sins for the lack of a better word.

You've been watching Hannity again haven't you? So in your mind gun control leads to population control and thought police?

No such thing as sins, nor anyone/thing to pray to, or do you have something to prove there is? Yeah all us well armed liberals are going to rise up and hit you in the face with our pussy hats.

Sorry for the snark in my above comments but your statements are so far out there I couldn't stop myself.
 
You've been watching Hannity again haven't you? So in your mind gun control leads to population control and thought police?

No such thing as sins, nor anyone/thing to pray to, or do you have something to prove there is? Yeah all us well armed liberals are going to rise up and hit you in the face with our pussy hats.

Sorry for the snark in my above comments but your statements are so far out there I couldn't stop myself.
I don't watch Hannity and I don't watch FOX 24/7. It's not that I find fault with Hannity it's the time of day where I have better things to do other than drive myself crazy. It's bad enough I have allowed myself to get sucked into this meaningless crap debate on a web site dedicated to something that should be bringing us together.
 
I don't watch FOX 24/7

Halleluyah, you can still be saved!

It's bad enough I have allowed myself to get sucked into this meaningless crap debate on a web site dedicated to something that should be bringing us together.

Amen.

Kidding aside, this is one of the things I fully agree with you. Yet, what's a place where you can't discuss, dispute, argue with others?

But as we say in French, "rangeons les couteaux" ("let's put the knives away"). OK ?...
 
Halleluyah, you can still be saved!



Amen.

Kidding aside, this is one of the things I fully agree with you. Yet, what's a place where you can't discuss, dispute, argue with others?

But as we say in French, "rangeons les couteaux" ("let's put the knives away"). OK ?...
Do you know what halleluyah means???
 
How many langages can you speak, or understand?
Apart from the language of Reason, of course, that I don't think you master so well...
 
How many langages can you speak...







Show-off!;):D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


but you did forget a "u":rolleyes::D:D:D:D:D:D:D


I got bits of Spanish and a mashed up French-Canadian......definitely wish I had more. Some of the crackers I work with can barely speak English, for crying out loud!!
But when I say, "Do it right or your fired"......well, that seems to translate across the spectrum!!!:mad::D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Show-off!;):D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


but you did forget a "u":rolleyes::D:D:D:D:D:D:D


I got bits of Spanish and a mashed up French-Canadian......definitely wish I had more. Some of the crackers I work with can barely speak English, for crying out loud!!
But when I say, "Do it right or your fired"......well, that seems to translate across the spectrum!!!:mad::D:D:D:D:D:D:D
*you're
:D
 
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