your best styling ideas of Evergreens mature JBP stock

[Applicative]

I found a few interesting specimens. for each one of these trees, what's your initial styling choices? I'm curious what others see, though these are single sided images.

what direction do you take each? What gets cut, where do you graft?

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[JackHammer]

Pic 1 - I never know what to do about 3 nodes coming out of a single point.
Pic 2 - that right branch looks too strong for my taste. I might do a jin or just a big cut back on that branch.
Pic 3 - It is hard to tell from the picture but you might have some reverse taper leading up to the first branch. Keep an eye on that and try not to accentuate that.
I think they need to grow a bit before any additional work. I don't think you need to look at grafting as I think you have plenty to work with.

 

[doc spring _work]

Pic 1, possibly clip all but the left branch, possibly gin the right branch.. would need to see alternative fronts before taking action.
Pic 2, very straight. Tilt during report to increase interest, id remove/ reduce branch on the right and rotate (tip) it that way to make the large root on the left more prominent and a larger interest point- if roots are available possibly add a rock underneath and root over rock
Pic 3, hmm I can't tell much from the image here, I might plant that outside and do a few partial defoliations possibly full over time until the plant develops something that catches my eye...
Pic 4, definitely my favorite of the group, needs wire. Bring the left branch down more and reduce the apical candles to allow lower branches to grow stronger.

 

[River's Edge]

I found a few interesting specimens. for each one of these trees, what's your initial styling choices? I'm curious what others see, though these are single sided images.

what direction do you take each? What gets cut, where do you graft?

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Wondering if you asked Brent what his suggestions would be for using his pictures?

 

[Applicative]

Wondering if you asked Brent what his suggestions would be for using his pictures?

Sorry, why would he take an issue with using his internet facing images of for sale trees in a forum discussing bonsai and design?

 

[Nybonsai12]

do a few partial defoliations possibly full over time

What are partial or full defoliations?

 

[The Barber]

number 1 i would probably tilt into a cascade.

 

[jszg]

Very important caveat is that these are corkbark and/or yatsabusa cultivars of P. thunbergii, iirc. They will grow and respond quite differently from the straight species.

 

[River's Edge]

Sorry, why would he take an issue with using his internet facing images of for sale trees in a forum discussing bonsai and design?

His website, his trees, his pictures, It was a simple question, I would assume from your response that you did not.
They are specimens trees. a single picture would never reveal the options possible for a carefully thought out design. Very open to misinterpretation. He is very approachable and would likely be very willing to assist an interested client. At least that has been my personal experience.

 

[doc spring _work]

What are partial or full defoliations?

A partial deflation indicates defoliating a section of the tree leaving some of the tree untouched to rebalance strength.

A full defoliation indicates a complete defoliation of a tree to encourage a new flush of needles.

 

[Nybonsai12]

A partial deflation indicates defoliating a section of the tree leaving some of the tree untouched to rebalance strength.

A full defoliation indicates a complete defoliation of a tree to encourage a new flush of needles.

You’ve done this on a Japanese black pine?

 

[Dav4]

A partial deflation indicates defoliating a section of the tree leaving some of the tree untouched to rebalance strength.

A full defoliation indicates a complete defoliation of a tree to encourage a new flush of needles.

Sooooo.... defoliation (partial or full) is a technique used mainly on fairly refined and healthy deciduous trees. On an evergreen like a pine, you can reduce buds and thin needles, but if you remove ALL the foliage on a branch- even on a strong species like JBP- you'll kill that branch 99% of the time. I suspect you're confusing defoliation with de-candling, which is another refinement technique used only on 2-flush pine species like JBP... but you're only removing spring growth and leaving last year's needles, which is not synonymous with defoliation. Also, de-candling a cork variety of JBP is potentially dangerous, as the corkers, which these appear to be, are notoriously weaker than a regular JBP.

 

[doc spring _work]

All correct, it was late and I should have said de-candling. Further I do typically work on deciduous so I definitely used the wrong term and when I responded at 3 am I definitely wasn't thinking when I went to define what I'd meant by defoliation I saw my message scrolled up to look at it and said "oh I must have meant a. And b." Hairbrain

 

[Paradox]

All correct, it was late and I should have said de-candling. Further I do typically work on deciduous so I definitely used the wrong term and when I responded at 3 am I definitely wasn't thinking when I went to define what I'd meant by defoliation I saw my message scrolled up to look at it and said "oh I must have meant a. And b." Hairbrain

Please keep in mind, using the wrong terminology, even if by accident and meaning no harm can mislead beginners into doing something that could kill their tree(s), which is why you are getting some flack from that post. We need to be mindful of how we say things sometimes so as not to cause others who don't know better to do damage to their trees.

 

[doc spring _work]

Please keep in mind, using the wrong terminology, even if by accident and meaning no harm can mislead beginners into doing something that could kill their tree(s), which is why you are getting some flack from that post. We need to be mindful of how we say things sometimes so as not to cause others who don't know better to do damage to their trees.

I fully get it, greatly embarrassed by the slip up