Where did superfly get Haydite from?

[Alfi]

Anyone have any clue where Superfly got their Haydite from?

Now that they are out of business, I have nowhere to buy it from. I want the exact same they used, not similar.

I emailed them multiple times and asked, but just like always they never responded to any emails. Which explains why they are now out of business…

 

[19Mateo83]

Try searching for vole block or permatill. Also welcome to the nut house!

 

[Alfi]

Hi,
I looked up permatill, but that seems to be expanded slate, which is different than haydite which is expanded shale (apparently).

I am trying to find the exact same source superfly used, even if i have to spend significantly more.

 

[JudyB]

What about Turface, I think it's haydite. Don't know what happened to Superfly...

 

[Cajunrider]

@BillsBayou uses a lot of haydite. Perhaps he can point you in the right direction.

 

[Alfi]

What about Turface, I think it's haydite. Don't know what happened to Superfly...

This is definitely not the source they used.
Superfly had good products, but their customer service was just really really bad.

 

[Srt8madness]

I'm guessing you feel like Haydite is a vital component of your bonsai mix? Could it be replaced?

I googled around a bit, didn't find much either, all the places that list it, show out of stock. Which points to either 1. Sourcing issue or 2. Not popular enough.

Perhaps calling a different bonsai spoil supplier that has haydite on their site, even if out of stock.

 

[horibonsai]

My source was Arcosa. I think they took over Big River Industries, which was producing expanded slate in Louisana. Ask for lightweight aggregate and make sure you get the right size. Now, the plant is in Alabama. It's getting harder to source it.

Arcosa Aggregates

arcosaaggregates.com

 

[Alfi]

My source was Arcosa. I think they took over Big River Industries, which was producing expanded slate in Louisana. Ask for lightweight aggregate and make sure you get the right size. Now, the plant is in Alabama. It's getting harder to source it.

Arcosa Aggregates

arcosaaggregates.com

Are you the previous owner of superfly?

 

[BillsBayou]

Anyone have any clue where Superfly got their Haydite from?

Now that they are out of business, I have nowhere to buy it from. I want the exact same they used, not similar.

I emailed them multiple times and asked, but just like always they never responded to any emails. Which explains why they are now out of business…

I happen to have a few tons of haydite, red lava, and black lava. It's been my intention to start selling it over the Internet for a while. But the red and black lava showed up soaking wet (5500 pounds / 2.5 metric tons) and I'm still drying it out. The haydite, however is ready to ship as soon as I go get some boxes.

But what to price it? What's a good price for 1/2cf of haydite? That's a 12"x12"x6" box. Roughly 3.5 gallons or 14 liters.

 

[BillsBayou]

My source was Arcosa. I think they took over Big River Industries, which was producing expanded slate in Louisana. Ask for lightweight aggregate and make sure you get the right size. Now, the plant is in Alabama. It's getting harder to source it.

Arcosa Aggregates

arcosaaggregates.com

Way back in the day, I could just drive up with my 4x8x2 trailer and they'd dump it in. Then they made me buy it in super sacks at more than five times the price. Then they closed the Louisiana plant. Definitely getting harder to source.

 

[Alfi]

I happen to have a few tons of haydite, red lava, and black lava. It's been my intention to start selling it over the Internet for a while. But the red and black lava showed up soaking wet (5500 pounds / 2.5 metric tons) and I'm still drying it out. The haydite, however is ready to ship as soon as I go get some boxes.

But what to price it? What's a good price for 1/2cf of haydite? That's a 12"x12"x6" box. Roughly 3.5 gallons or 14 liters.

Unless this is directly from superfly, please don’t derail this thread.

 

[LuZiKui]

A simple no thank you would do... @BillsBayou has been at this for a while and knows as much as anyone. If it's good enough for him it's probably good enough for you.

 

[rockm]

Unless this is directly from superfly, please don’t derail this thread.

Being fixated on the exact source of a soil ingredient is short sighted. I've found learned that over the years. Ive gone through many suppliers over the years. You can't really count on a uniform continuous supply of ingredients and soil. Suppliers of soil, components come and go. Production of haydite is very VERY regional depending on local demand and even then, what is produced can vary year to year or even month to month. Manufacturing plants for the stuff close and open all the time. You're NEVER going to find the exact source Superfly was using --unless of course, the owner of that venture steps in and tells you.

Bill offered a pretty good alternative, IMO.

 

[19Mateo83]

What is so special about the haydite from superfly? It’s definitely not a prestige thing…

 

[Srt8madness]

Unless this is directly from superfly, please don’t derail this thread.

Don't be a dick

Edit: please

 

[horibonsai]

Are you the previous owner of superfly?

I don't know the source for Superfly, but there are only a handful of lightweight aggregate producers left. You are more likely to find a storage depot at the port in your area that sells to concrete and street pavers. The manufacturing process is the same; you just need to identify the size you need. They can suggest the size if you tell them it's for horticulture purposes.

 

[horibonsai]

Way back in the day, I could just drive up with my 4x8x2 trailer and they'd dump it in. Then they made me buy it in super sacks at more than five times the price. Then they closed the Louisiana plant. Definitely getting harder to source.

Yup, those were the good old days when I could drive a beat-up pickup truck and have them dump a load in the bed. Now, they want a minimum of dump truckloads.

 

[BillsBayou]

Unless this is directly from superfly, please don’t derail this thread.

No derailing. Straight out offer to you. Superfly likely got it from the same company as I did, but a different furnace located in his state. Post a photo of the haydite you got from Superfly. When I get home from work, I'll post mine.

Are you in the USA or Canada or where? As you are new to Bonsai Nut, you should know that it is considered good form to put your location in your profile.

I just messaged the person behind Superfly Bonsai (can't give his name because I don't dox people). If I find out his source, I'll let you know. Then we'll see if it's worth the drive. You'll likely have to bring a trailer capable of carrying more than 2,000lbs. It's sold by the cubic yard.

 

[bwaynef]

A simple google search tells who the owner was and there's a link to contact him directly. He's been responsive on facebook, though I haven't contacted him in a while. A buddy of mine contacted him after his business closed and got a response. This stuff doesn't have to be a mystery.