What kinds of pomegranate are they?

[bonhe]

Hi all,
I have an opportunity to collect these two landscape yamadori pomegranate. They are a big bushes. One has trunk base diameter is about > 40 cm. Another one is about 20 cm.
One has a lot of pink flowers


Its fruit. Sorry, out of focus


Another one has red flower with very dark fruit


I like to know the name. Is the 1st one Punica protopunica?
Thanks.
Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

wow, nobody replied to this post! I completely understand! Because there are so many varieties of pomegranate, lot of pomegranate have no name (even for specialists in the field)
This morning I thought I was able to dig 2 trees up, but the owner changed his mind. He just wanted me to make the cutting. I am fine with that, because I was able to get two cuttings with diameter 6 and 7"!
I gave one smaller cutting for one of my friends. It is very interesting that when I gave him a cutting, he showed me his landscape pomegranate which has pink-orange flower with multiple layer!
My friend's flowers


My cutting flower


He gave me one branch for cutting
Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

I used soil mix with pumice:turface:forest humus with ratio 2:1:2
Forest humus is composed ground fir bark


Final soil mix


Two big cuttings


How interesting the cut surface is!


Bonhe

 

[0soyoung]

So. @bonhe, pomegranates are similar to olives - any big chunk of wood will root?

That is the message I got from your final photo 'How interesting the cut surface is!' and it is indeed quite interesting.

 

[bonhe]

I set up the "portable green house" with 1"PVC pipe.


The large plastic bag from furniture store to cover.


Another one


A smaller cutting was placed under misting system


Other smaller cuttings were inserted into the plastic bonsai containers.


Now, wait and see!
Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

Those cuttings started budding out one week ago.
I can see lot of new buds coming out this afternoon.


Which one is the next treatment for those cutting?
a. Remove the plastic bag and place the pots into the full sun site.
b. Remove the plastic bag and place the pots into the shady area.
c. Keep the same as they are.
I appreciate if you can explain your answer.
Thank you.
Bonhe

 

[Eric Group]

Those cuttings started budding out one week ago.
I can see lot of new buds coming out this afternoon.
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Which one is the next treatment for those cutting?
a. Remove the plastic bag and place the pots into the full sun site.
b. Remove the plastic bag and place the pots into the shady area.
c. Keep the same as they are.
I appreciate if you can explain your answer.
Thank you.
Bonhe

I don't use bags, so I'd say move it to a shady area, then expose to more sun as it grows... These guys root super easy in my experience! Never tried anything this large though! The shady area with better ventilation would prevent the new leaves from burning off- "hopefully", new leaves grown in a protected area are quite delicate on Poms in my experience- and prevent and potential fungus and stuff like that from growing...

 

[bonhe]

Eric Group, post: 356151, member: 15627"]I don't use bags, so I'd say move it to a shady area, then expose to more sun as it grows...
Thanks for sharing your thought.
If you can provide the excellent humidity in the shady area, then yes.

These guys root super easy in my experience!
I agree.

Never tried anything this large though!
With the small cutting, I will try without the bag. With the big cut like this, I will not take a risk! My other big pomegranates shown in other post were from the cutting (no root at all).

The shady area with better ventilation would prevent the new leaves from burning off- "hopefully"
If you give them an excellent humidity environment, otherwise, they will die from dehydration through evaporation!

, new leaves grown in a protected area are quite delicate on Poms in my experience- and prevent and potential fungus and stuff like that from growing...
Only with the small bag. With the big bag like the one I use, it will be fine! I never see the fungal infection in that environment!
Bonhe

 

[JoeR]

Sorry for being offtopic- but when are pomegranates supposed to be repotted? Specifically the common Nana.

 

[Eric Group]

Eric Group, post: 356151, member: 15627"]I don't use bags, so I'd say move it to a shady area, then expose to more sun as it grows...
Thanks for sharing your thought.
If you can provide the excellent humidity in the shady area, then yes.

These guys root super easy in my experience!
I agree.

Never tried anything this large though!
With the small cutting, I will try without the bag. With the big cut like this, I will not take a risk! My other big pomegranates shown in other post were from the cutting (no root at all).

The shady area with better ventilation would prevent the new leaves from burning off- "hopefully"
If you give them an excellent humidity environment, otherwise, they will die from dehydration through evaporation!

, new leaves grown in a protected area are quite delicate on Poms in my experience- and prevent and potential fungus and stuff like that from growing...
Only with the small bag. With the big bag like the one I use, it will be fine! I never see the fungal infection in that environment!
Bonhe

I guess humidity isn't as big of a concern where I live... We have very high humidity most of the year out here, I know it is dry as a bone in Cali most the time! I hope your new trees do great for you!

 

[milehigh_7]

You might look on Brent's site. He has many varieties. The other thing is that the seedlings are extremely variable so those may just be unique.

 

[bonhe]

Sorry for being offtopic- but when are pomegranates supposed to be repotted? Specifically the common Nana.

I like to transplant promegranate when the leaf buds swelling up (that means in the late winter)
Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

I guess humidity isn't as big of a concern where I live... We have very high humidity most of the year out here, I know it is dry as a bone in Cali most the time! I hope your new trees do great for you!

It is why you don't need a bag for cutting and your main concern is fungal infection, isn't it?
Thank you for your hope!
Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

You might look on Brent's site. He has many varieties. The other thing is that the seedlings are extremely variable so those may just be unique.

Thanks for information Milehigh_7.
I just checked the site, I will make a big cutting from Punica granatum 'Shirobotan' (Pure white double flowers). This variety is extremely rare in Vietnam! The cutting from my friend looks like Punica granatum 'Toyosho' (Salmon pink double flowers). I don't see information of salmon pink single flower!
Bonhe

 

[JoeR]

I like to transplant promegranate when the leaf buds swelling up (that means in the late winter)
Bonhe

Thank you, so same as most trees

 

[bonhe]

Thank you, so same as most trees

NP.
Yes, same as most trees.
Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

Which one is the next treatment for those cutting?
a. Remove the plastic bag and place the pots into the full sun site.
Incorrect. The direct sunlight will kill those tiny leaf buds in no time -----> whole cutting will die soon!

b. Remove the plastic bag and place the pots into the shady area.
Incorrect. It is correct only when you give the cutting an suitable humidity as Eric Group's quote.

c. Keep the same as they are.
Correct. When you see the leaf buds appears, even though when the new leaves completely open, the root system is still not formed yet! If you place the cutting to "harsh environment" at this phase, the cutting has no way to absorb the water to compensate for water evaporation. The cutting will die due to dehydration!

"Harsh environment" is dry, windy or has direct sunlight which create low humidity. Humidity is a must for success of cutting and side graft !!!

As you can see, I even have to put one misty head into the bag (face up) to create the optimal humidity for the cutting.


Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

Those are salmon pink double flower cuttings. Although I did not use the bag to cover them, I placed them at the well protected shady place with overhead misty system twice a day. At this time, they still don't show any leaf buds!! Those cuttings are much smaller than two others.


Bonhe

 

[bonhe]

Almost 7 months passed!
Here is an update for those cuttings.

This small cutting died. The misty system was not good enough for it.


This much smaller salmon pink double flower cutting is alive.


The 7" cutting are still in the bag and have moderated healthy shoots.
On the top.


At the lower trunk


and the 6" cutting are aggressively growing.


Bonhe

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

Nice, good example on how to handle large diameter cuttings.