ungrafted white pine, diseased

[pie78]

Ciao a tutti, mi è stato regalato questo pino. ovviamente l'ho accettato e ovviamente sono consapevole che non si presenta bene, ma credo nella speranza. cosa chiedo cosa posso provare per riuscire a salvarlo. Dalle foto che ho postato ho controllato anche le radici. per ora l'ho lasciato asciugare fuori dal vaso per un giorno intero, poi ho cambiato vaso e l'ho messo in uno leggermente più grande, aggiungendo pomice finissima mista ad ormone radicante e un po' di microelementi. tutto asciutto, finché non innaffierò la prossima volta. Ho controllato se c'è marciume radicale, ma potrebbe essere il terreno freddo o compatto, grazie dall'Italia. il nostro clima è ormai invernale con temperature che variano dai -2/5 ai 10/15 gradi centigradi

 

[Paradox]

Thank God for Google translate or I wouldn't know what you typed.

The roots look fine from the picture.
Where is this tree being kept?
How often are you watering and how do you tell when it needs water?

 

[pie78]

sorry, I translated it, but the forum translated it for me again
Hi everyone, I was given this pine as a gift. obviously I accepted it and obviously I'm aware that it doesn't look good, but I believe in hope. what do I ask what can I try to save him. From the photos I posted I also checked the roots. for now I let it dry outside the pot for a whole day, then I changed the pot and put it in a slightly larger one, adding very fine pumice mixed with rooting hormone and a bit of microelements. all dry, until I water next time. I checked for root rot, but it could be the cold or compacted soil, thanks from Italy. our climate is now winter with temperatures ranging from -2/5 to 10/15 degrees centigrade

 

[pie78]

Hi everyone, I was given this pine as a gift. obviously I accepted it and obviously I'm aware that it doesn't look good, but I believe in hope. what do I ask what can I try to save him. From the photos I posted I also checked the roots. for now I let it dry outside the pot for a whole day, then I changed the pot and put it in a slightly larger one, adding very fine pumice mixed with rooting hormone and a bit of microelements. all dry, until I water next time. I checked for root rot, but it could be the cold or compacted soil, thanks from Italy. our climate is now winter with temperatures ranging from -2/5 to 10/15 degrees centigrade

Thank God for Google translate or I wouldn't know what you typed.

The roots look fine from the picture.
Where is this tree being kept?
How often are you watering and how do you tell when it needs water?

it comes from a bonsai center that has many and they didn't have control, they didn't want to give it, but I liked it and I told them that I'll try to cure it

 

[pie78]

Thank God for Google translate or I wouldn't know what you typed.

The roots look fine from the picture.
Where is this tree being kept?
How often are you watering and how do you tell when it needs water?

the only thing I noticed is no mycoritia

 

[Paradox]

the only thing I noticed is no mycoritia

Having no mycorrhiza is odd but doesn't cause death.

If you just got this tree, I think it might not have been watered enough?

Do you know where they kept the tree? Was it inside a green house or outside?

 

[pie78]

Having no mycorrhiza is odd but doesn't cause death.

If you just got this tree, I think it might not have been watered enough?

Do you know where they kept the tree? Was it inside a green house or outside?

they have large greenhouses, the soil was damp, but it may have been watered after the sunstroke and yes the tree it's with me 4 days now . so you think it might be watering too little, because in my opinion the roots also seem ok. I thought the cold, but the plant comes from the valley where the temperatures are higher and a heat stroke in the greenhouse is probable

 

[Paradox]

they have large greenhouses, the soil was damp, but it may have been watered after the sunstroke and yes the tree it's with me 4 days now . so you think it might be watering too little, because in my opinion the roots also seem ok. I thought the cold, but the plant comes from the valley where the temperatures are higher and a heat stroke in the greenhouse is probable

It's a Japanese white pine, they like cold.
Was it very warm there this summer?
I can't tell from the pictures, are there buds at the ends of the branches? Can you post a close up picture of them?
That will give us a better indication if the tree can survive, If the buds are in good shape, you have a chance, if they are dried out and dead, it probably isnt going to recover.

It's hard to try and determine what caused this, but I can give you advice based on what I know of the species.

I agree the roots look good, there is no root rot from what I can see from the pictures.
Put the tree outside but protect from wind and extreme cold. I wouldnt let it freeze at this point.
You removed the moss from the top of the pot so that is good, moss can make the soil stay wet for longer.
Be very careful about watering, use what we call the "chopstick method" to determine when it needs water.
The Chopstick Method: Place a wood chopstick or a piece of wood dowel into the soil and leave it there.
Take it out of the soil once a day and look at it. Water the tree when it is ALMOST dry, do not let it dry out completely.
Do this for at least a year.

Water needs change from season to season with the weather and growth patterns and this will teach you when your tree needs to water across those differences.
Watering is one of the hardest things to learn for newer people.

Beyond what I described above, just wait.
Do not give it fertilizer, Do not repot it, just wait, give it care and see if it recovers

Good luck

 

[pie78]

È un pino bianco giapponese, gli piace il freddo.
Faceva molto caldo lì quest'estate?
Dalle foto non capisco, ci sono dei boccioli all'estremità dei rami? Puoi postare una loro foto da vicino?
Questo ci darà un'indicazione migliore se l'albero può sopravvivere. Se i germogli sono in buona forma, hai una possibilità, se sono secchi e morti, probabilmente non si riprenderà.

È difficile cercare di determinare cosa abbia causato questo, ma posso darti consigli in base a ciò che so della specie.

Sono d'accordo che le radici sembrano buone, non c'è marciume radicale da quello che posso vedere dalle immagini.
Metti l'albero all'esterno ma proteggilo dal vento e dal freddo estremo. Non lo lascerei congelare a questo punto.
Hai rimosso il muschio dalla parte superiore del vaso, quindi va bene, il muschio può far sì che il terreno rimanga umido più a lungo.
Fai molta attenzione all'irrigazione, usa quello che chiamiamo "metodo delle bacchette" per determinare quando ha bisogno di acqua.
Il metodo delle bacchette: posiziona una bacchetta di legno o un pezzo di tassello di legno nel terreno e lascialo lì.
Toglilo dal terreno una volta al giorno e guardalo. Innaffia l'albero quando è QUASI secco, non lasciarlo seccare completamente.
Fatelo per almeno un anno.

Le esigenze idriche cambiano di stagione in stagione in base al clima e ai modelli di crescita e questo ti insegnerà quando il tuo albero avrà bisogno di annaffiare nonostante tali differenze.
L'irrigazione è una delle cose più difficili da imparare per le persone nuove.

Al di là di quanto descritto sopra, aspetta e basta.
Non dargli concime, non rinvasarlo, aspetta solo, dagli cura e vedi se si riprende

Buona fortuna

 

[pie78]

this is what I managed to take photos of. I don't know, maybe someone does, but it's not clear. Let's hope, thanks

 

[clem]

are you sure that the white roots are the pine roots and not weed roots (clover etc) ?

 

[RoadManDenDron]

just to be sure since it has not been mentioned above,

You're keeping it outside now right?

 

[pie78]

are you sure that the white roots are the pine roots and not weed roots (clover etc) ?

I'm not sure they look like his, there were no weeds

 

[pie78]

just to be sure since it has not been mentioned above,

You're keeping it outside now right?

I keep it outside, but reared in an unheated greenhouse, where temperatures drop but it doesn't freeze

 

[Paradox]

I am seeing some buds but its hard to tell if they are alive or not.

My advice remains to be watchful of watering, dont allow the tree to freeze and be patient and hope it perks up.
If you do see growth in the spring, I would feed it lightly and just water it. I would do nothing else to this tree for at least 3 years to allow it to get strong again.
Good luck

 

[pie78]

I am seeing some buds but its hard to tell if they are alive or not.

My advice remains to be watchful of watering, dont allow the tree to freeze and be patient and hope it perks up.
If you do see growth in the spring, I would feed it lightly and just water it. I would do nothing else to this tree for at least 3 years to allow it to get strong again.
Good luck

I thank you and other comments and above all for the support and advice. Let's hope he recovers. I wish everyone a good bonsai recovery