Steps after creating deadwood on Montezuma Cypress

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Curious as to the steps one would take after creating deadwood on a BC or MC.
Once the carving is complete... what steps should be followed for after care... should the area be treated or sealed? I assume the area needs to age to look more natural...
Once the carved area dries out should one use lime sulfur and hardener the same season or should the carved area be allowed to "rot" for a few seasons... then re-carve and treat.
Lots of info but the timeline is fuzzy for me... Thanks!
 
Google Si Dao Bonsai. The most primitive way to creat a Shari, or jin is to take a pliers, grab a small pinch of bark & the cambium layer underneath, then pull up or out or down, depending on where on the branch or trunk you started.

Actually before you start use an exacto knife to cut across the bark to limit how far the tear will go.

Pull small strips of bark and cambium until you have your Shari, or until you have stripped your branch to make a jin.

When creating Jin, you can twist the pliers with some force around the branch. A live branch, the bark will pull away easily.

Cut a branch from shrubbery in the back yard. Practice Jin making and Shari making before tackling your tree you like. Suddenly it will make sense.
 
Coatings like epoxy or others have some lifespan after which you have some part of the surface with and some part where it has worn or stripped off, like old paint. The only difference is you are using a paint that has no pigment in it.

I sand the surface smooth because that's the surface I want, then I apply a solution of 15 to 20% household bleach in water with a nylon brush about every other month in summer. That kills the black mold that turns wood grey. I like that better than other ways of doing the same thing.
 
@Forsoothe!
Thanks for the tip!
The desert is brutal on wood... I currently have dead wood on one of my MC and treated with PC Petrifier.... it’s already pealing.
I think I’m going to do a hollow trunk one the tree in question.
 
Once carved... how long before I treat? Or do I protect right away?
 
The bleach drys out the surface cells of the wood and over time those cells dry up and blow away. As long as you treat it with the bleach that will slow down the process. In your climate, I'd guess the wood will last longer than in damp Michigan weather, depending on the species. I like my results, but it does vary by species. I have a Huisache that has black wood no matter what I do. This Juniper is one of my favorites and this is one of my favorite photos of it...Meijer Juniper Hanna.JPG
 
@Adair M or @markyscott could give you much better advice.

I forget the title, but there is a thread that explains the difference between different dead wood treatments. The PC Wood Petrifier is the exact wrong thing to use, for the exact reason you encountered. Deadwood is important part of bonsai, may as well learn how to do it. And BC and MC do have dead snags in nature.
 
@Adair M or @markyscott could give you much better advice.

I forget the title, but there is a thread that explains the difference between different dead wood treatments. The PC Wood Petrifier is the exact wrong thing to use, for the exact reason you encountered. Deadwood is important part of bonsai, may as well learn how to do it. And BC and MC do have dead snags in nature.
Leo, I don’t have a bald cypress with deadwood, nor a Montezuma Cypress. I do have pines and junipers with deadwood.

Bald cypress Live in swampy areas, so I think they would naturally have black deadwood rather than the white deadwood we associate with the mountain junipers and pines. Since we don’t want our bonsai to rot away, I think the effect us created by using limesulfur dyed with India Ink. But, a person more versed in Bald Cypressshould be consulted.

I will describe the process I use to create deadwood on my pines and junipers:

Once the deadwood feature is created, I do allow the wood to dry out naturally for some time. Maybe as long as a year before treating it. The method used to actually create the deadwood can by by carving, or pulling away bits of wood by pliers. I’m not skilled in carving, I usually do the tearing away method.

I generally would not advise sanding the wood. That makes it too smooth. Natural juniper deadwood at high elevations has lotsof little grooves and checks that give it a soft texture. Something that cannot be replicated artificially. (Oh, I suppose someone who’s extraordinarily talented could possibly create something that looks close, but, us ordinary mortals can’t.)

Look at these checks:


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Lime sulfur is a fungicide that can help to keep your deadwood from decaying. The problem is, if applied straight, it dries very white, and can make the wood appear as if it’s been painted. That’s not what we want. (At least, not me.)

What I do is first clean the deadwood using a tooth brush and water. Sometimes, I may have to use something with a stiffer bristle. On stubborn areas where the mildew and algae have turned the deadwood green, a bit of white wine vinegar usually sorts that out. I wait a couple days to let it dry out, and I can see if more cleaning is necessary.

For applying lime sulfur, I get cheap, disposable artists paintbrushes. The first step is to thoroughly wet the deadwood. And let it soak in. And just start to dry out. Then, I mix the lime sulfur 50/50 with water. And paint it on. With the wood being slightly wet, and the limesulfur diluted, it tends to soak in to the wood rather than just sit on top like paint. Applied straight on dry wood, it will act like paint. Anyway, the limesulfur goes on yellow and dries white.

Or rather, “whiteish”.

I once participated in a show where I had a juniper with deadwood done my way. Right next to my display was a tree that had been painted with straight limesulfur, and as it was an “alternative display”, they had it brightly lit. I mean, that white deadwood was bright! It made mine look dull in comparison. (Heck, for all I know, they may have painted it with white paint! It was BRIGHT!)

If, after a couple days, you decide you would want it a little whiter, you can do it again. Sometimes, areas of deadwood that still retain a lot of resin from the sap don’t absorb the limesulfur well. I light touch up may be necessary.

I find that once a year is sufficient to keep the deadwood intact.

Here’s an example of a juniper I’ve treated with lime sulfur:

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Once carved... how long before I treat? Or do I protect right away?
Your area and my area are almost the same with very little rain each year. Because of that, I don’t worry about the decay. I never treated deadwood on my pomegranates and crepe myrtle. I actually water the deadwood once in a while to obtain the natural look.
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Thank you... I’ll have to see how the wood progresses. It’s so dry here we don’t ever use wood outdoors for building.
You are welcome.
These deadwood are without treatment at all.
Crepe myrtle
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Pomegranate 1
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Pomegranate 2
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Curious as to the steps one would take after creating deadwood on a BC or MC.
Once the carving is complete... what steps should be followed for after care... should the area be treated or sealed? I assume the area needs to age to look more natural...
Once the carved area dries out should one use lime sulfur and hardener the same season or should the carved area be allowed to "rot" for a few seasons... then re-carve and treat.
Lots of info but the timeline is fuzzy for me... Thanks!
I've yet to create deadwood on a BC or MC. However, I've built boats and outdoor furniture out of cypress. When naturally aged, they will have a silvery white color. Do an image search on pecky cypress and you will see what I am talking about. So when the time come to create deadwood on my BC, I will put lime sulfur on it to preserve it.
 
I've yet to create deadwood on a BC or MC. However, I've built boats and outdoor furniture out of cypress. When naturally aged, they will have a silvery white color. Do an image search on pecky cypress and you will see what I am talking about. So when the time come to create deadwood on my BC, I will put lime sulfur on it to preserve it.
Wow haven't seen this post in a while.
Since this post I have tried both treating dead wood as well as leaving natural specifically on MC.... Much more prefer the natural. The white of lime sulphur looks painted on a cypress and wood harder though keeping the natural color prevents the wood from cracking and scaling with I really dig.
Be curious as to how you like the sulfur results on your tree.
 
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