Soil Recipies

Bunjeh

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I have been researching the best basic soil mix for months and I have seen more different recipies than a Texas chili cook-off. In my nascent phase I was using straight garden loam and quickly realized the problem with that. Shifted over to about a 50% loam, 50% sand. Better. Heard that "kitty litter" would sub as Akadama. HA! Mistakenly bought a corn based variety and racoons dug up my plants :0( I seem to have settled on a mix of pumice, turface, and pine bark (sifted), with a little loam thrown in if needed ( for alder or other moisture loving varieties). I hear the "Boon" mix is the supposed gold standard. Would love to hear the experiences of others.
 
Bunjeh you will find that your best mix(s) will depend on your area, watering habits and the species of tree. You are near some wonderful bonsai clubs and even displays. They are your best bet for good and specific information. You also should search here for soil and Google as well. Always pay attention to the species and location. With regard to the kitty litter, Drystall, Floordry, etc. Many use locally available items and screen out the big and small. And when in doubt put in a jar with some water for a week or so. If it turns to mush then do not use. And Boons mix is one of many that work very well for many folks. I'm sure you will get many comments -- some rude (telling you to just search) but hang in there.
 
Haven't tried Boon's soil yet, but my mix for my pines is.
10 parts floor dry - carquest auto parts
2 parts grit
1 part peat
This mixture gives me a quick draining soil, but leaves enough moisture on hot days for me to be able to not worry about my pines until I get home from work on a daily basis. In summer i usually have to water twice a day, unless its a rainy day.

Rick
 
Ask 10 people here what they like and you'll get 8 different answers. The bottom line is that you want a soil comprised of easily had components of the same granular size that hold some moisture while being rapidly draining and allow good air exchange for the roots. You live on the west coast, so pumice and lava should be easily sourced. Use these two as the main components of your soil, then add in an aggregate clay component (akadama, turface) or an organic like screened pine bark or chopped sphagnum moss ...or don't;).
 
Akadama, pummice and kiryu is the best I've found. And as duely noted fits well with the Pacific Northwest's particularly wet falls,winters and springs.

Over the years I've played with the various and sundred other concepts, particularly as it cuts the extreme costs of importing soils and drainage from Japan.

Bottom line, while the cost will always be a concern, everything taken into consideration, I've always done best with the three components mentioned above. The last coupla years I have even added to the cost by adding a 10% addition to the three way mix of horticultural charcoal.

My latest focus now that I'm happy with my soil mixture is what and when to use various fertilizers. When that topic comes up I'll have some thoughts to share that I can attest to because they work for me.

I quess bottom line would be on most topics, if it ain't broken (dispite the cost) usually cheaper in the long run to go with something proven. Especially if tree health verses budget.
 
Diatomacious Earth?

Haven't tried Boon's soil yet, but my mix for my pines is.
10 parts floor dry - carquest auto parts
2 parts grit
1 part peat
This mixture gives me a quick draining soil, but leaves enough moisture on hot days for me to be able to not worry about my pines until I get home from work on a daily basis. In summer i usually have to water twice a day, unless its a rainy day.

Rick

Rick: Are you refering to this?
http://www.spillcontrolinc.com/granulars
 
Some local research

This past week I went to the Pacific Bonsai Museum in Federal Way WA (Just off of I-5 at exit 142 if you happen to be in the area). I specifically went to look at the soil mixes. Each pot was different. I did notice that they used heavy amounts of pumice and charcoal in the pines, but this Acer Palmatum forest was in 100% lava rock.
 

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Has anyone tried the compost one in Dan Barton's book "The Bonsai Book"? I have been wanting to try it for a while as it seems like a great basic mix. (I dont think it is legal to say what the recipe is here, right?)
 
Haven't tried Boon's soil yet, but my mix for my pines is.
10 parts floor dry - carquest auto parts
2 parts grit
1 part peat
This mixture gives me a quick draining soil, but leaves enough moisture on hot days for me to be able to not worry about my pines until I get home from work on a daily basis. In summer i usually have to water twice a day, unless its a rainy day.

Rick


How long have you been using this mix and have you repotted after several years of growth in it? Not trying to pick on you, but I think you're very new to bonsai still and have noticed you giving out advice that was written as if it were coming from an experienced artist. I don't think you're being intentionally deceptive, that's just how it comes off.
 
How long have you been using this mix and have you repotted after several years of growth in it? Not trying to pick on you, but I think you're very new to bonsai still and have noticed you giving out advice that was written as if it were coming from an experienced artist. I don't think you're being intentionally deceptive, that's just how it comes off.
It wasn't advise.it is what I use..nothing more.
 
I have been researching the best basic soil mix for months and I have seen more different recipies than a Texas chili cook-off. In my nascent phase I was using straight garden loam and quickly realized the problem with that. Shifted over to about a 50% loam, 50% sand. Better. Heard that "kitty litter" would sub as Akadama. HA! Mistakenly bought a corn based variety and racoons dug up my plants :0( I seem to have settled on a mix of pumice, turface, and pine bark (sifted), with a little loam thrown in if needed ( for alder or other moisture loving varieties). I hear the "Boon" mix is the supposed gold standard. Would love to hear the experiences of others.

Using it and love it! A little expensive if you have a lot of trees. Not really hard to make on your own.
 
Bunjeh,

this how simple it can be - 3 mm glass beads and compost [ home made ]
Good Day
Anthony
 

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Sooo,....

I was right! It is a Texas Chili Cook-Off!
 
It's one of those heated debate things, gets asked a lot kind of things, it's kinda what works for you kind of things, lol. There are some fundamentals that you should follow, and it also depends on the state of the tree. The components that I use are pumice, lava, turface mvp, sifted pine bark, and a splash of horticortial charcoal. It's mixed acording to species and what development the tree is in. What I've found is, is what works for your zone, budget, and how you water ur trees.
 
Bunjeh, where you live - not far from me - I'd recommend an all inorganic mix. For years now I've simply thrown some combination of dark pumice, lava rock, Turface and occasionally some akadama together in whatever proportions suits my fancy and my supplies at the moment. I used to think it made a huge difference what exactly and in what proportions - but years ago I concluded that it really didn't matter here, especially for conifers. Just don't use any organic stuff - not at all necessary, and usually a mistake here. And with an inorganic mix you can just rinse it and let it dry in the sun for a day or so after you re-pot, and then you can recycle it.
 
It's like this- TREES WANT TO GROW! Just like animals want to eat, breathe... Trees want tog row new leaves, branches... ROOTS! Our job in caring for them on it's most basic level is to provide a soil medium that they can grow in. It is EASY as most will grow in almost anything!

Regular old Miracle grow potting soil? Hell YEAH! They will grow like weeds... But they will likely fill a small pot up with bpig old thick roots pretty fast and not develop a fine, ramified root system we desire for Bonsai...

"Pro mix" is very similar to Miracle a Grow- basically Peat, Pearlite, nutrients.. And most any potting soil of a similar constructions I'll give you similar results... Not bad for growing a tree out in a larger pot.. Inexpensive, makes happy trees!

Turface- more of a free draining component. Almost no ability to absorb and store nutrients, small particle size but- again trees WANT TO GROW- it produces solid results for most who use it, you can get a big ole 50 pound bag for like $15 if you find the right source... Not a great component to use by itself, but when mixed with some pumice and a little pine bark... Makes a great BONSAI mix. Napa oil dry a and the RIGHT KINDS OF KITTY LITTER ( composed of larger particles of diatomacious Earth, identical to Napa Oil dry...) are an ok substitute for Turface I suppose, but IMO are not as good. They don't hold up as well, have a lot of dust that turns to a muck when wet... You really need tow ash it out a bunch and let it dry before using...

Akadama- the holy grail! Boon's mix is basically a 1-1-1 combo of Akadama, pumice and lava rock. This produces a fast draining mix with very pourous material with lots of lagged edges- Akadama absorbs some nutrient and water, but not too much water, lava draines well but has lots of surpface area due to the jagged eves and this is where some water is retained... Makes a solid mix from what I can tell but only been usi it myself for about 2-3 months maybe so hard to tell much yet. Just can tell the mix looks good, drains GREAT, has enough weight not to float or wash out of the pot easily... Can't say anything but good stuff so far! According to most, this is the best mix, but is COSTS A LOT!

A Bag of Akadama apron half the sicze of the 50lb turface bag will run you around $40 or more... Pumice is comparable, maybe about $25-30, and lava rocks in size we want is just plain hard to find! If you can afford and can accumulate the Boon's mix ingredients, give them a try.

If you want something cheap that "works" but doesn't have the amount of air in the soil you can get from Akadama and larger grains like lava and Pumice... Give the turface/ Oil dry mixes a try... It is all about your needs, how many trees you have and how much you can or are willing to pay...

There are dozens of other ingredients people use- I have used chicken grit some as well. It is a good weighted ingredient but doesn't have the texture of lava and some people don't like the extra weight for larger trees... Mentioned pine bark- there is a very small grained type you can find at Lowes called "soil conditioner"- good stuff if you are using an organic component! Usually not well composted and you might have to pick so e chunks of wood out.. But it is good stuff!

Many many more options out there! Use what is available to you when you are repotting trees! Remember, unless you use something toxic, you probably won't kill the tree... Might affect the growth rate if you use a crappy mix though. A quote I love is: "you can grow a tree in marbles if youc are for it properly"- intended as a joke I guess then Anthony seems to be taking it too far! Lol. I don't reccommend 3 mm glass marbles.. Where doe you FIND THAT first off? Second though is the lack of texture/ porosity to the needs.. Limits drainage, air, has no BENEFIT for the soil the way an ingredient like Lumice or Lava rock would... He is basically cutting his "compost" with a grit that has not function except to take up space! Doesn't mean the trees won't like it- they LOVE growing in compost! Just seems a strange ingredient to me!

Good luck!
 
BTW, I think it was on another bonsai site years ago where someone, hearing the in-crowd tout the nearly miraculous properties of all the crazy-expensive exotic soil material from Japan and elsewhere, suggested that perhaps bonsai might grow best in ground-up $100 bills.
 
BTW, I think it was on another bonsai site years ago where someone, hearing the in-crowd tout the nearly miraculous properties of all the crazy-expensive exotic soil material from Japan and elsewhere, suggested that perhaps bonsai might grow best in ground-up $100 bills.

Actually for the best ramified root system one should plant in fine 1/8 inch Gold nuggets.

ed
 
aahhh! - soil mixes!

As someone else said, you need to use stuff from your area, which you can readily get hold of, and what works with your climate and watering regime [notice this is a paraphrase.] I use a combination of grit/gravel, pumice, potting mic (without 'crystal rain' moisture granules added!) and in some cases a natural 'baked-clay' product [zeolite]sold in NZ as cat litter. The main thing is, I screen it through a 6 mm (1/4 inch) seive and then through mosquito netting (about 1mm) - for higher moisture retention, smaller particles are the thing, rather than more organic component [larger surface area on smaller particles] but the fines removed give the roots more air for breathing, and the water drains readily so they can't accidentally drown.
(The only problem with zeolite is that it isn't so good for acid-loving plants. I did a trial with cotoneaster cuttings a few years ago, and straight zeolite was up with the best 'mix' for root devlopment)
 
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