Potting up

How deep does the wormhole go?

I'm going to find out when I get a hold of some of that Toad Smoke.

Till then, deep as Mushrooms allow.

I suggest devouring this information in its entirety, them moving on to this.

This stuff is all there. That site is what everyone needs to learn, the perfect primer for everything important. It will never be organized better.

It all makes sense after reading that.

And.....I put NoBAM in your Profile.😉 I can change it if you want.

Sorce
 
I'm going to find out when I get a hold of some of that Toad Smoke.

Till then, deep as Mushrooms allow.

I suggest devouring this information in its entirety, them moving on to this.

This stuff is all there. That site is what everyone needs to learn, the perfect primer for everything important. It will never be organized better.

It all makes sense after reading that.

And.....I put NoBAM in your Profile.😉 I can change it if you want.

Sorce
Lol. I think I might be dumbing myself down here...but dad used to say to “always be teachable”. I definitely read what you linked a few years back when I was first turning all of my attention to the trees... after saying all of that, I have no idea what NoBam means Lol
I definitely, however, know how deep the mushrooms grow lol...good to hear back from you
 
Lol. I think I might be dumbing myself down here...but dad used to say to “always be teachable”. I definitely read what you linked a few years back when I was first turning all of my attention to the trees... after saying all of that, I have no idea what NoBam means Lol
I definitely, however, know how deep the mushrooms grow lol...good to hear back from you
Ohh!! North Bam?
 
Lol. I think I might be dumbing myself down here...but dad used to say to “always be teachable”. I definitely read what you linked a few years back when I was first turning all of my attention to the trees... after saying all of that, I have no idea what NoBam means Lol
I definitely, however, know how deep the mushrooms grow lol...good to hear back from you
Thanks, Sorce, NoBam will do just fine 😉
 

Jammie!
Nobody has worn a suit in months! Lol!
House slippers and ripped sweatpants!lol.

I have to put my work boots on or I don't get anything done!

Sorce
 
Jammie!
Nobody has worn a suit in months! Lol!
House slippers and ripped sweatpants!lol.

I have to put my work boots on or I don't get anything done!

Sorce
Socks, sandals, hoodie, jammies
Ball of confusion
 
Thank you! That has been my approach for the last 1-2 years. And now I have a few nursery bought Japanese maples and have been doing the same with them (as far as keeping that mental image/canopy shape in mind). My question for you is, when you say around May 1 to clip the leaves at their base leaving the petiole, are you saying to do so to all of the leaves or just the ones I would normally be removing to maintain that canopy in my mind’s eye? By the way, you might be a mind reader. Leaf reduction for my maples has been the theme of my searching for quite some time now. There isn’t any information quite so straight forward as yours, thanks again.
I'm guessing that your May 1st is my June 21st. This is leaf reduction therapy time. After the leaves have been out long enough for them to mature and also have visible buds in the axils ready to leaf out. It will take about 3 weeks for a new canopy, and longer to fully mature. You remove all the leaves and make sure you remove all the tips, which are the primary buds, or else there will be very little back-budding. When you remove the primary buds the secondary buds further down the twig become primaries and grow vigorously. Some tertiary buds closer to the trunk become secondaries and grow, too. That is back-budding. Since the tree hasn't replenished the roots entirely the new leaves are smaller. You don't have to do this every year, just when you need to make the leaves smaller. Another part of the principle is you are forcing the plant to divide it's stored resources by more buds than it normally would have: 100% resources divided by 125% of the normal amount of buds equals leaves at 80% normal size, or smaller if the tree is low on resources. Removing the tips always gets some back-budding, but removing just a couple here and there doesn't necessarily get back-budding on those particular stems. The response is to switch on some secondaries that are coincidentally ready at that time somewhere on the tree. Doing just part of the tree doesn't really work.

It's easier and quicker to just rip all the existing leaves off the tree, but you can easily damage the buds in the axils that way. Do it the right way clipping the petiole at the bottom of the leaf and save every bud in every axil, to keep the live bud count as high as possible and never break a twig. Some people have done this process more than once a year, but that's asking to kill the tree. It's very stressful and if done without leaving the tree enough time to regenerate new leaves, mature them, mature buds for next spring, and generate and store enough energy to fully leaf-out next spring, you can have a tree that swells buds, inflates a few leaves, and drops dead. I would never do it twice.

All this contributes to a smaller canopy and tree and leafs and slows grows. There is a direct correlation between the amount of surface area of the leaves and the amount of growth. Slow and steady wins the race to a tree in bonsai scale.

This process only works with trees that have a second flush of leaves every year, like Maples. Burning Bush does not, and woody plants like Boxwood and Holly that are slow growing and have leaves that last more than one year do not respond well. It can take two years to just thinnly replace the canopy on a Boxwood, and most likely kill it. I would not use this on any species that is not fairly fast growing with a distinct second flush, and was otherwise healthy and happy.
 
Thanks fellow Alabamian, should I keep a similar substrate as the current when I pot up or change it to a more organic mix? I’m predicting you might say keep a similar mix...
Any plant you have growing in a pot for more than a year (this is even more important when growing in small bonsai trays and pots) should have a soil mix that has little to no fine particles under .100 (slightly under 1/8 inch). Using this type of soil will allow you to water properly (saturate the surface once sometimes twice daily) and if all other conditions are favorable, ie sunlight, correct fertilizing regimen, will allow your plant to grow as close to it's genetic potential as possible. This may sound difficult but once understood, could not be more simple. Soil components are ridiculously subjective in every horticultural faction where containerized plants are concerned. What's important to the plant/tree(s) is that your soil is made up of correct particle sizes and will retain it's structure until your next repot. The ingredients must meet this criteria. If you want your tree to grow fast and be as healthy as it possibly can: potting soil or sphagnum peat moss, coconut coir, sand, garden soil, all alone or as a fraction of a mix, are unsuitable soil components. I have tried everything, however I can easily obtain and personally use a 111 mix of Turface MVP which holds a significant amount of water internally (from Ewing), Manapro chicken grit which holds no water internally (from Tractor Supply), and Reptibark fir bark which holds about half as much water as turface (from Petco or PetSmart). For everything I grow (not just trees) I usually start with that basic mix. I add more Turface and/or granite for conifers and possibly add Turface for some deciduous , I always keep the bark portion at no more than 1/3 of the mix. In answering your question, choose something similar.
 
@sorce, I think I know the answer, but why do you always welcome people to Crazy? What is crazy? Is it the crazy amount of opinions with the artform? Hahaha.
 
@sorce, I think I know the answer, but why do you always welcome people to Crazy? What is crazy? Is it the crazy amount of opinions with the artform? Hahaha.

It has been so much more tame lately, since some folks fleed to FakeBook and Their Own Blogs....ahem....but it's still mildly insane!


Sorce
 
It has been so much more tame lately, since some folks fleed to FakeBook and Their Own Blogs....ahem....but it's still mildly insane!


Sorce
Fantastic! Ha!
 
Any plant you have growing in a pot for more than a year (this is even more important when growing in small bonsai trays and pots) should have a soil mix that has little to no fine particles under .100 (slightly under 1/8 inch). Using this type of soil will allow you to water properly (saturate the surface once sometimes twice daily) and if all other conditions are favorable, ie sunlight, correct fertilizing regimen, will allow your plant to grow as close to it's genetic potential as possible. This may sound difficult but once understood, could not be more simple. Soil components are ridiculously subjective in every horticultural faction where containerized plants are concerned. What's important to the plant/tree(s) is that your soil is made up of correct particle sizes and will retain it's structure until your next repot. The ingredients must meet this criteria. If you want your tree to grow fast and be as healthy as it possibly can: potting soil or sphagnum peat moss, coconut coir, sand, garden soil, all alone or as a fraction of a mix, are unsuitable soil components. I have tried everything, however I can easily obtain and personally use a 111 mix of Turface MVP which holds a significant amount of water internally (from Ewing), Manapro chicken grit which holds no water internally (from Tractor Supply), and Reptibark fir bark which holds about half as much water as turface (from Petco or PetSmart). For everything I grow (not just trees) I usually start with that basic mix. I add more Turface and/or granite for conifers and possibly add Turface for some deciduous , I always keep the bark portion at no more than 1/3 of the mix. In answering your question, choose something similar.
You know how I hate to be picky, but not only do I not observe the above formula for soil, I do the opposite. I never allow any mineral components larger than a grain of sand. 50% by volume of the mix is composted pine bark, most of which are fines. It is a moisture retaining mix that suits me and my watering habits and my local rain & humidity patterns. Everybody needs to customize their soil to their situation. Flat statements belong in the Flat Earth Society, not for bonsai people in too many different climates to count and with too many personal habits, and agendas to list.

I have for the last several years noticed that there are wet belts and dry belts and everything inbetween across the US and I suspect everywhere else in the world, so my advice is necessarily more pertinent to places like southeast Michigan which is different from northern Michigan an southern Ohio, etc. There is a really wet belt across the deep south states that I see big storms pass over very often. That is very different weather from mine. Since I can't possibly know about the rest of the world, everyone needs to take what I say, and what everyone else says, with that proverbial grain of salt. Flat statements tend to flat wrong.
 
You know how I hate to be picky, but not only do I not observe the above formula for soil, I do the opposite. I never allow any mineral components larger than a grain of sand. 50% by volume of the mix is composted pine bark, most of which are fines. It is a moisture retaining mix that suits me and my watering habits and my local rain & humidity patterns. Everybody needs to customize their soil to their situation. Flat statements belong in the Flat Earth Society, not for bonsai people in too many different climates to count and with too many personal habits, and agendas to list.

I have for the last several years noticed that there are wet belts and dry belts and everything inbetween across the US and I suspect everywhere else in the world, so my advice is necessarily more pertinent to places like southeast Michigan which is different from northern Michigan an southern Ohio, etc. There is a really wet belt across the deep south states that I see big storms pass over very often. That is very different weather from mine. Since I can't possibly know about the rest of the world, everyone needs to take what I say, and what everyone else says, with that proverbial grain of salt. Flat statements tend to flat wrong.
Absolutely. I live on Vancouver Island, BC, Canada, and I've been told not to use any organic mixture because of all the rain. But I live in the capital city of Victoria (southern tip of the island), which is actually in a rain shadow of the US Olympic and Vancouver North Shore mountains, so we get 55% less rain as Vancouver and about 35% less than Seattle, contrary to what people think, and we actually get droughts during the growing season. I need some water retention.

All of our situations, our tree's needs, and our goals are different, so blanket approaches do no one any good. It's important to know what options there are for what we're trying to accomplish, and what of those options are best suited for our tree in particular in relation to where we live. Then we try to make the best decisions possible.

Edit: how does the joke go? If the Earth is flat, cats would've pushed everyone off the edge centuries ago.
 
At the third bite of your sixth cat, you realize the Earth is flat.

Sorce
 
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