Nursery Bought Practice "bonsai"

Prolly not what I would have done. Now, stop practicing and get serious on a few trees. 10 years from now you will appreciate it.

I have a few, but there is a lot of down time, and I like to style these cheap junipers for fun.
 
Step 1: don't listen to your wife.

In most cases but Worst bonsai advise...ever. ;) I already have a green house in the back, a table top, 6 permanent trees, 3 dozen "project trees"...not to mention the cost of pots and soil...blah blah blah...It's an expensive hobby, and nothing kills those like an unhappy wife, so if she wants me to plant some of them in pots other then the drilled together trainers...gonna say yes.
 
I bought this juniper this weekend to practice on.

What are you trying to learn? Did you learn it?

Before you dive in (with any tree) make sure you ask yourself - what exactly am I doing?

I am going to give you some constructive feedback on your tree. It doesn't look to me like you had a design in mind when you started pruning. You just stripped branches from the bottom 1/2 of the two trunks and then called it a day. There was no wiring, no further development of the upper foliage mass. The tree doesn't look like anything right now other than a nursery plant that had some branches removed.

This is all fine - you are a beginner - and we are all beginners at some point. But you can continue to do what you just did (in terms of trimming trees randomly) and ten years from now be no further along in terms of developing skills to make good bonsai. The fastest way to develop skill is to follow someone who already has skill. I always recommend joining a club and going to convention workshops, but if that is not practical, there are some great streaming video resources available (make sure they are from reputable sources that know what they're doing).

But another good way to learn is to see a nice bonsai... and try to make the exact same thing. Try to copy it EXACTLY. That way even if you don't totally know "why" you are only removing some branches and leaving others, you are working off a blueprint. Then even if your tree isn't perfect, it might be 50% perfect, which is a lot better than 0% perfect :)

I shared this video in another thread and I really like it because of the way the artist rotates the tree so you get to see it from all angles. This is a procumbens juniper - the same type of tree that you just pruned. It looks very different. What you are seeing is not different material - it is the experience of the artist.


Some of the things you can certainly learn from your tree is how junipers respond to being transplanted, how much they like your soil mix, and how a juniper responds when it has half of its foliage removed. These are all really good things to learn.

I don't want to sound like a crabby old man in this thread - I am trying to save you from making all the mistakes I made :)
 
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I bought this juniper this weekend to practice on.

The wife's caveat is if I'm going to keep buying...put them in nice pots to train them.

WoW! Being close in location I cannot help but wonder if it will survive but as you said it was for practice :)

As for the pots you can get very good heavy duty plastics for starters(economical). They weather nicely and really take on the look of clay quickly. Also easy to modify, drill etc... They come in more shapes and sizes but here is an example of what I use for most trainers -

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Grimmy
 
I see you got the tools!
I think beter advice than bnut gave you wont get

I also cut up my fair share of trees wich looked like nothing and Its a hard way to learn that a branch is gone in 2 sec but takes forever to grow back if the species will backbud at all lol
 
What are you trying to learn? Did you learn it?

Before you dive in (with any tree) make sure you ask yourself - what exactly am I doing?

I am going to give you some constructive feedback on your tree. It doesn't look to me like you had a design in mind when you started pruning. You just stripped branches from the bottom 1/2 of the two trunks and then called it a day. There was no wiring, no further development of the upper foliage mass. The tree doesn't look like anything right now other than a nursery plant that had some branches removed.

This is all fine - you are a beginner - and we are all beginners at some point. But you can continue to do what you just did (in terms of trimming trees randomly) and ten years from now be no further along in terms of developing skills to make good bonsai. The fastest way to develop skill is to follow someone who already has skill. I always recommend joining a club and going to convention workshops, but if that is not practical, there are some great streaming video resources available (make sure they are from reputable sources that know what they're doing).

But another good way to learn is to see a nice bonsai... and try to make the exact same thing. Try to copy it EXACTLY. That way even if you don't totally know "why" you are only removing some branches and leaving others, you are working off a blueprint. Then even if your tree isn't perfect, it might be 50% perfect, which is a lot better than 0% perfect :)

I shared this video in another thread and I really like it because of the way the artist rotates the tree so you get to see it from all angles. This is a procumbens juniper - the same type of tree that you just pruned. It looks very different. What you are seeing is not different material - it is the experience of the artist.


Some of the things you can certainly learn from your tree is how junipers respond to being transplanted, how much they like your soil mix, and how a juniper responds when it has half of its foliage removed. These are all really good things to learn.

I don't want to sound like a crabby old man in this thread - I am trying to save you from making all the mistakes I made :)
I didn't read a hint of disrespect in any of these posts. I'm here to learn. I've always loved the Psalm. He who loves reproof loves knowledge.
I have a few trees I've trained and I love. but if you guys say there is no point in buying these plants with no direction in mine, I will re-evaluate my methods.

That's how I learned as a Personal Trainer, and how i learned how to work on my Bikes, listening to others.
 
WoW! Being close in location I cannot help but wonder if it will survive but as you said it was for practice :)

As for the pots you can get very good heavy duty plastics for starters(economical). They weather nicely and really take on the look of clay quickly. Also easy to modify, drill etc... They come in more shapes and sizes but here is an example of what I use for most trainers -

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Grimmy
Do you have a favorite spot you order from?
 
Thanks for the responses, I will post my other trees for some direction.
 
Do you have a favorite spot you order from?

No, as prices vary so much from site to site and on Amazon, EBay, etc... My honest best advice is to Google and shop :( The extra 15 minutes of price comparing normally results in very good savings.
I have many, but always like to have extras on hand. You mentioned having a Wife and mine suggested I shop for them in Winter - makes sense to me ;)

Grimmy
 
@Bonsai_Jon

The reason @Nybonsai12 told you not to listen to your wife is because taking a tree from a 2 gallon container to a "nice pot", in one step more often than not kills the tree. We usually do this in stages over a few years, repotting every couple of years at most.

Also there is a time to do evetything. Junipers are pretty tough, but usually repotting a tree in the middle of July is a death sentence to most species unless they are tropicals or mugo pines.
 
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