berzerkules
Shohin
No so many people wearing shorts in the start of winter but after a stint of -40 anything close to 0f anything goes.
New York urged people to stay indoor when temp in the 90s?
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Flowerhouse
Chumono
Exactly. After weeks of -30 to -40, 0 feels like a breath of spring. I lived in zone 3a, NE Montana, for 14 years.
Here and now in my life, while my neighbor never dons anything warmer than a lined sweatshirt, I have an entire stable of coats. Multiple weights of sweatshirt, multiple weights of fleece jackets, coats ranging from lined wind shell to calf-length 700 fill down. I wear them all, sometimes layered, 'cause I'm a wimp.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
Dry heat. Add 60% or greater humidity to that, and the temperatures feel like its another 5 to 10 degrees higher.
< link explains how humidity effects temperature
I would die there.
Catagonia
Yamadori
The warnings are also a heads-up to people who wouldn’t otherwise take it seriously. Here (Sacramento CA), I think they are also the threshold for certain public health measures to kick in, like opening cooling stations for people without AC. We are fortunate in that it almost always cools off a decent amount at night, and it’s dry as a bone around here, but some elderly people and homeless folks die from heat on occasion, even though heat over 100F is not unusual here.
And it reminds me to give the potted-up plants an extra drink or two.
And it reminds me to give the potted-up plants an extra drink or two.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
Very true. The heat advisories here often mention people with medical conditions like asthma, heart conditions, and the elderly who are most vulnerable. It also generally warns everyone to drink more water and be careful of heat exhaustion and heat stroke.
Flowerhouse
Chumono
5a, here in Rawlins, isn't bad. It is very windy here, but mostly when the wind is blowing I focus on the stout branches it is promoting, the bugs it is hindering. NE Montana was a rough place to live, though. In addition to the -40 in winter, we usually saw 100 by the first week of June. Way too much temperature swing, and still with the wind! The upsides of living there: occasional northern lights, really long daylight hours in summer, and when the summer sun would sink into the Missouri River flood plain it looked like the sun was shining up on our bright sorrel Haflinger, really a pretty sight.I would die there.
Catagonia
Yamadori
I just checked and the warnings are only issued when night temps will be over 75F; apparently not getting a cooler period raises health risks a lot.
it is cool here this week, no triple digits.
it is cool here this week, no triple digits.
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
I mountain bike a fair amount (several times per week). In SoCal the dry heat could kill you (literally). As long as you drank enough water, you would be ok, but I could come back from a 20 mile ride in the SoCal mountains, drinking water as often as I felt thirsty, and my jersey would be bone dry when I got back to the car... yet I would lose six pounds of water weight. However I would feel comfortable, as long as I didn't run out of water.
Meanwhile here in NC I can bike in 90+ weather, as long as I am willing to get wet
Even if my trail is in shade, within two miles of the start of the ride my jersey and bike shorts are drenched. And the problem is, because of the high humidity, you sweat but you don't get the evaporative relief of the sweat evaporating off your skin. I feel hotter biking here than I did when I would bike in Palm Desert - at 10 F hotter temps.
Meanwhile here in NC I can bike in 90+ weather, as long as I am willing to get wet
Even if my trail is in shade, within two miles of the start of the ride my jersey and bike shorts are drenched. And the problem is, because of the high humidity, you sweat but you don't get the evaporative relief of the sweat evaporating off your skin. I feel hotter biking here than I did when I would bike in Palm Desert - at 10 F hotter temps.
coachspinks
Chumono
Most of us in the south know what to do and what not to do in this heat AND humidity. Acclimation is also a big deal. 90+ degrees with a 78 dew point is manageable as long as I am smart. I'm in my 60's but I have spent most of my life in the south. Those who have not left NYC aren't ready, especially with no AC. Many may not even realize how quickly they can get in trouble, hence the advisories.
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
The heat islands of metropolitan cities play a big part. A couple years back Denver was putting out heat warnings when temperatures were reaching toward 100F, but temps like that aren't uncommon in the southern half of the state.
The difference is that in the big city it never cools down all the way at night, buildings block wind, vehicles cause added heat near busy roads, and even running your AC adds heat to the surrounding area. Hell, the heat pockets can jump as much as 20F over the weather stations' numbers. Add in the extra greenhouse effect of the local smog bank, and it gets dangerous fast.
Outside of better shopping options, I've never been able to find a reason to live anywhere I can't walk to the edge of inside of an hour or so.
The difference is that in the big city it never cools down all the way at night, buildings block wind, vehicles cause added heat near busy roads, and even running your AC adds heat to the surrounding area. Hell, the heat pockets can jump as much as 20F over the weather stations' numbers. Add in the extra greenhouse effect of the local smog bank, and it gets dangerous fast.
Outside of better shopping options, I've never been able to find a reason to live anywhere I can't walk to the edge of inside of an hour or so.
19Mateo83
Masterpiece
I’ve lived here in Charlotte all my 39 years and have always worked outside in our heat and humidity. It’s normal to see heat index values here of 105 to 110 range. Your old SoCal weather sounds like it was a dream. I go through several work shirts each day here just to give the sweat somewhere to go. It’s not a solution but it does helpI mountain bike a fair amount (several times per week). In SoCal the dry heat could kill you (literally). As long as you drank enough water, you would be ok, but I could come back from a 20 mile ride in the SoCal mountains, drinking water as often as I felt thirsty, and my jersey would be bone dry when I got back to the car... yet I would lose six pounds of water weight. However I would feel comfortable, as long as I didn't run out of water.
Meanwhile here in NC I can bike in 90+ weather, as long as I am willing to get wet
also…my cooler full of water is my best friend in the summer time.BeepBeepBonsaiSheep
Chumono
Yes, but I was just poking fun of based strictly off temps, not humidity
BeepBeepBonsaiSheep
Chumono
Lived in SoCal most of my life. At work one summer I was pounding water all day. Not once did I go to the bathroom because I was sweating it all outI mountain bike a fair amount (several times per week). In SoCal the dry heat could kill you (literally). As long as you drank enough water, you would be ok, but I could come back from a 20 mile ride in the SoCal mountains, drinking water as often as I felt thirsty, and my jersey would be bone dry when I got back to the car... yet I would lose six pounds of water weight. However I would feel comfortable, as long as I didn't run out of water.
Meanwhile here in NC I can bike in 90+ weather, as long as I am willing to get wet
Finally go home and went to the bathroom and by the color, you think I didn’t drink all day! THAT was a hot and busy day
Glaucus
Omono
Interesting how the far right wing is now offended by weather/heatwave measures
Glaucus
Omono
I don't mean here, I meant on social media and especially in the UK media.
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
If you look around enough, you can find someone offended about anything.
However let's not derail this thread into political territory. My daughter's major at university is Sustainable Development. Conversations about environmental disasters are pretty much all I hear at the dinner table
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
The fact is, temperature isn't the only factor. Humidity makes as big if not a bigger difference in what a human can tolerate.
You can be in 110 dry heat in Texas while people in 95 degrees and 70% humidity will feel like its 120 in NYC.
Scorpius
Chumono
This forum really needs a political playground subforum where we can duke it out and there are no rules.
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