Need help with this Mulberry. Is it a red or the white?

[MadV]

While searching around my house I found a mulberry tree and I'm hoping it's the red mulberry, as I understand it's native to my area, unlike the white Mulberry. I have tried to research the differences and I'm leaning toward it being a red, but I have had a hard time finding others trees with like leaves as the one on my property. I'd be interested in collecting it and training into Bonsai if it is the red.

 

[Lutonian]

It looks like my white mulberry, but I have never seen a red mulberry only white and black. red and white mulberry hybridise so could also be a hybrid, maybe some more familiar with the species can help

 

[MadV]

It looks like my white mulberry, but I have never seen a red mulberry only white and black. red and white mulberry hybridise so could also be a hybrid, maybe some more familiar with the species can help

Do you have any pictures of yours in the juvenile stage? And does your leaves on the bottom have more of a fuzzy texture?

 

[Dabbler]

Looks like a white mulberry to me

 

[Lutonian]

Do you have any pictures of yours in the juvenile stage? And does your leaves on the bottom have more of a fuzzy texture?

I will take some pics of my mulberry this evening for you.

 

[KateM]

Could be paper mulbery.

 

[Natty Bumppo]

It's NOT a red mulberry. They tend to have few lobed leaves. Looks awfully while mulberry to me, but I'm not sure what paper mulberry looks like. On the plus side, whites grow rapidly, are nearly indestructible and I'd be surprised if it didn't backbud readily.

 

[Gabler]

White mulberry has rounded lobes and shiny leaves like so:

 

[MadV]

It's NOT a red mulberry. They tend to have few lobed leaves. Looks awfully while mulberry to me, but I'm not sure what paper mulberry looks like. On the plus side, whites grow rapidly, are nearly indestructible and I'd be surprised if it didn't backbud readily.

That's the thing. This sapling only has those lobed leaves on it and they are more of a bright lime green. No other shaped leaves to reference on it. In my research, the white mulberry has shinier green leaves and not as fuzzy on the underside of the leaves.

 

[Gabler]

Often, the leaves are not lobed:

 

[Gabler]

Here's a paper mulberry from Google:

 

[MadV]

The lobed leaves on this tree are more pointy at the ends for sure instead of rounded. But it seems that with these mulberries, there can be different shaped leaves on the same tree. I can definitely say the leaves on the underside are not glossy/shiny like on post #10, but I guess that could be due to immaturity at this stage. Just learning more about these mulberry trees

 

[James W.]

Which thread do you want me to reply on? You have started duplicate threads and are getting conflicting info on both.

 

[Gabler]

Which thread do you want me to reply on? You have started duplicate threads and are getting conflicting info on both.

Not sure which mulberry I'm dealing with. Red or white?

I found a small mulberry sapling near my home in East Tennessee. Using Samsung's new AI, it tells me that it's red mulberry by taking pictures from different angles. If it is the red mulberry, I'd be interested in collecting it in the future for bonsai.

www.bonsainut.com

 

[Lutonian]

Do you have any pictures of yours in the juvenile stage? And does your leaves on the bottom have more of a fuzzy texture?

Mine is just waking up its a cultivar with white berries. When it's fully leafed out there will be a mix of deeply lobed leaves and unlobed leaves and combinations of both in the same leaf. Vigorous shoot, pruned shoots and the first leaves are all deeply lobed but the tree will push out more unlobed leaves if left alone

 

[MadV]

Which thread do you want me to reply on? You have started duplicate threads and are getting conflicting info on both.

Well, there's only 2 threads but please comment on either one if you have some insight. To be fair, after posting in the "new to bonsai" space, I realized I should have posted in the "fruiting" space. I thought maybe I could edit where my post was sent after the fact, but I believe the mods would have to do that. I'm just looking for more insight, but yes, conflicting info on both which is why maybe a broader audience?

 

[MadV]

Mine is just waking up its a cultivar with white berries. When it's fully leafed out there will be a mix of deeply lobed leaves and unlobed leaves and combinations of both in the same leaf. Vigorous shoot, pruned shoots and the first leaves are all deeply lobed but the tree will push out more unlobed leaves if left alone

By looking at the leaves on your white mulberry, they look a whole lot less serrated on the leaf edges than this tree has. I don't know if that goes away with age. To be honest, it may be closest to the paper mulberry.

 

[Gabler]

 

[Gabler]

Morus rubra L

 

[Gabler]

https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/plantguide/pdf/pg_moal.pdf