thanks brother. as soon as the bends get too tight for my liking, I'll go ahead and chop the sacrifice back to about where I'll jin it at. this tree has really heiped me grasp the concept of growing juniper cuttings for bonsai. can't wait to start some myself. i was thinking of taking some this fall since my common and golden sport junipers are really taken off this spring, as it's been 2 years since repot.Man this is a good example of what a sacrifice branch can do to a juniper.