@Deep Sea Diver , I love your heritage tree stories. They are an inspiration to me. I have a lilac that I bought from a landscape nursery, after finding one with a great trunk. I have been working on it for about 5 years and this year I was planning on getting it into a bonsai pot. I will definitely use your Code Cracking results when I attempt to pot. I really love the effect of the ferns in the same pot.