Looking for Japanese black pine in Europe

[BeneficialCucumber]

Hi! I'm looking for a Japanese black pine bonsai/prebonsai for up to 200€ in Germany or that can be shipped here. Till now I've found:

Bonsaï Pinus Thunbergii 'Pin Noir du japon' 17 ans d'âge

Découvrez la passion du Bonsaï et des plantes miniatures avec le Bonsaï Pinus Thunbergii ; un classique de cet art japonais à ne pas manquer chez Bonsaï France.

bonsaifrance.com

And

Pinus thunbergii. Pre-bonsai 17 years. Black pine | Mistral Bonsai

Pinus thunbergii known as Japanese black pine. Pre-bonsai 17 years. Evergreen tree. It’s a tree which you can find on the coast and it has vigorous growth.

www.mistralbonsai.com

Does any of them look like good starter material?
Do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks everyone!

 

[Sn0W]

Don't search for bonsai material, search for garden material from a nursery / garden centre. You can get trunks triple that size or more for that price if you aren't buying "bonsai"

 

[leatherback]

Maarten has a few. His shop is one of the high end ones in the Netherlands.

Bonsai Plaza, der Webshop für all Ihre Bonsai und Bonsai-Artikel.

Alles, was ein Bonsai-Enthusiast braucht, ist im Bonsai Plaza zu finden. Stöbern Sie in unserem umfangreichen Katalog und finden Sie Ihren perfekten Baum, Topf, Scroll, Buch, Werkzeug, oder Boden.

www.bonsaiplaza.com

 

[Juanmi]

I agree with Sn0W.
Of course, if you can afford it, buying bonsai / pre-bonsai material might be a bit easier to work with, but they are a little overprized.
Last week I just found (and purchased) a little red pine for 25€ here in France.

 

[Potawatomi13]

These certainly overpriced. As suggested keep looking for better deal with bigger trunk. JBP common as weeds once sources found.

 

[jaco94]

Hello ,
I have always been amazed by the excessive prices charged for black pines in Europe, given the relatively low quality of the trees offered.
I think it is a variety overpriced in bonsai (excessive average price compared to the quality of the trees on sale).

 

[Starfox]

Yikes.

Buscar

www.laosgarden.com

 

[leatherback]

Hello ,
I have always been amazed by the excessive prices charged for black pines in Europe, given the relatively low quality of the trees offered.
I think it is a variety overpriced in bonsai (excessive average price compared to the quality of the trees on sale).

true. But untill someone decides to grow these for bonsai at a large scale, there just is nothing better on offer