Life has determined that I should sell off most of my collection.. what now?

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Over the past few years my life has changed so much that life itself has decided for me that i need to sell off most of my collection. I started this hobby about 2001 when I lived in a small home and have now moved several times and now live on 2 acres without time to dedicate to this wonderful hobby anymore. I fell in live with this hobby when I lived in Southern California where street trees were as close as I could come to forests and mountains. But Bonsai allowed me to create and surround myself with little forests and mountains in my back yard. I have now found myself in the countryside of Sonoma County CA, Vineyards in my front yard and large mature oaks are everywhere. I have an orchard approx 50 mature apple trees and have a 60 ft twin trunk walnut, river birch, scamore. maples, etc on my property.. to boot just over 20 minutes away is a grove of old growth Redwoods with 2 to 3 thousand year old giants in it. I now have enough big trees in my garden that I dont have time for the 30 little ones I collected over the years.

the last few years have left my collection watered and fertilized but generally neglected with respect to other maintenance/development. I now must sell some trees before growth begins to ruin whatever work was put in to them. but having been completely out of the market for years how do I catch up on what things are like now?

I you were in my situation how would you go about getting a fair sale for something so difficult to price. Where would you check values or get an appraisal?? Or who might be able to help in a situation where you need to price out 10 or 20 trees?

As an example I contacted a professional in my part of the country and with regard to my most valuable tree and have no real reply when he asks how much do you want for it. I know what I paid in 2001 or 2002 but that doesnt help me now.

I am having the biggest problem with this tree.... I think quality like this is pretty hard to com by.. but what does that mean when it comes to pricing? I just want to be fair and not get ripped off.







Thanks for any help you guys can offer.

Joel.
 
That's one hell of a piece right there, and yes I'm crying right now because you have to live in CA and I can't exactly driver there, because that's what I would do.

As for $$ value, that's one of the hardest questions to answer. What is a fair price to you?
 
Well, the question is, are you just interested in selling the trees for an x "market value" to anyone? Or are you interested in selling the trees to someone who knows how to take proper care of them and how to keep them alive? Caring about the health of the trees you may want to consider a broader price range rather than a fixed value, give or take.

It must hurt giving up such great material. Just saying.

Best luck for you and your trees,
Dorothy
 
-------And I'm crying because you are living right in the middle of one of the best places on Planet Earth with access to some of the best natural bonsai growing on the continent and you have some of the best growing conditions, climate, and enough land to grow your own trees at any level you desire and you are giving up bonsai?
 
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I just private messaged you. Please consider my assistance.
 
Well, the question is, are you just interested in selling the trees for an x "market value" to anyone? Or are you interested in selling the trees to someone who knows how to take proper care of them and how to keep them alive? Caring about the health of the trees you may want to consider a broader price range rather than a fixed value, give or take.

It must hurt giving up such great material. Just saying.

Best luck for you and your trees,
Dorothy

You know I thought the day that I sold this tree especially would be a sad one for me for a long time. But the cool thing isfeels very right . For years this and my other trees would be floating around in my head. Every move agonized over ( especially with this one) knowing the responsibility with each decision could effect things far beyond my lifetime. This juniper is estimated at 350 yrs old as it is. But knowing I can't put the time or energy needed into material of this caliber it's easy to let it go to someone with the vision to really bring out its best. Like I said I have already contacted someone who is very well respected . And the question I am wrestling with is the first one he asked. How much do you want for it. Well crap I don't know! It's been over ten years since I checked prices on this stuff. And rest assured this wont go to some yahoo with a checkbook. But that doesn't mean I want to let it go for a song either. Just lookin for fair range in today's terms.

Anyone know any resources other than eBay to help get a handle on this stuff? I mean what's the range on 350 yr old yamadori of this caliber nowadays.
 
-------And I'm crying because you are living right in the middle of one of the best places on Planet Earth with access to some of the best natural bonsai growing on the continent and you have some of the best growing conditions, climate, and enough land to grow your own trees at any level you desire and you are giving up bonsai?

I know it sounds crazy but somehow there is no struggle in me over this. And it's not like I won't keep 3 or 4 mid sized trees to play with but 20 or 30 is too much for me right now. Maybe in 10 more years I can add a few more trees. But I have 2 acres I want to landscape , which right now is a blank slate. That will easily take me 5 to 10 yrs to do. I have a very large vegetable garden which has to be tended . The orchard . The house etc. wife kids etc.It all adds up and something must go... And some of these trees need work now.. And I just can't give it to them right now..
 
Whatever the market will bear. You set the price and the market will let you know.
 
Price of trees is going to vary based on where you sell it and who you sell it to.

Randy Knight's backyard is full of trees just like this and over the years I've gotten a sense of what they are worth.

If you sell this tree on the east coast or california unstyled and "retail" you could get > $5000

Styled and established you could get a lot more.

Wholesale prices are going to obviously be lower.

In Oregon, at wholesale, this would be a $2-3K tree

That's my 2 cents
 
Buddamonk,
Do you have a buyer offering to give him that much money? If not its not commanding that price. It's worth the price someone is offering to pay for it.
 
These are prices I have seen these trees go for. Just gave him a ballpark of what he might start with and then adjust based on the market. Better than not giving him any answer when he is asking for a specific price. All that BS about things being worth what someone is willing to pay for it is getting old imo... like I don't know that already.
 
Approach. Shimpaku onto Cal juniper.

Grafted shimpaku on California probably bumps the value. The "ballpark" I gave you was mostly for RMJ. If your goal is to make money on this, style it, wait a year then sell. If you just want to break even, sell it for what you paid for it and it'll go fast.

Or sell at auction and you'll likely get a good amount of money for it.
 
Over the past few years my life has changed so much that life itself has decided for me that i need to sell off most of my collection. I started this hobby about 2001 when I lived in a small home and have now moved several times and now live on 2 acres without time to dedicate to this wonderful hobby anymore. I fell in live with this hobby when I lived in Southern California where street trees were as close as I could come to forests and mountains. But Bonsai allowed me to create and surround myself with little forests and mountains in my back yard. I have now found myself in the countryside of Sonoma County CA, Vineyards in my front yard and large mature oaks are everywhere. I have an orchard approx 50 mature apple trees and have a 60 ft twin trunk walnut, river birch, scamore. maples, etc on my property.. to boot just over 20 minutes away is a grove of old growth Redwoods with 2 to 3 thousand year old giants in it. I now have enough big trees in my garden that I dont have time for the 30 little ones I collected over the years.

the last few years have left my collection watered and fertilized but generally neglected with respect to other maintenance/development. I now must sell some trees before growth begins to ruin whatever work was put in to them. but having been completely out of the market for years how do I catch up on what things are like now?

I you were in my situation how would you go about getting a fair sale for something so difficult to price. Where would you check values or get an appraisal?? Or who might be able to help in a situation where you need to price out 10 or 20 trees?

As an example I contacted a professional in my part of the country and with regard to my most valuable tree and have no real reply when he asks how much do you want for it. I know what I paid in 2001 or 2002 but that doesnt help me now.

I am having the biggest problem with this tree.... I think quality like this is pretty hard to com by.. but what does that mean when it comes to pricing? I just want to be fair and not get ripped off.







Thanks for any help you guys can offer.

Joel.

Hello Joel,
If your selling your trees based on not being able to provide the best care for them, but also looking for a current market value. Let me say that firstly the trees need to be looked at its current stage in development and only what you would be willing to accept for each.

I bought collected trees this year only because the guy understood they were raw material and we were both happy with prices. Am no low baller person so if he asked a offer I made my best offer if he was ok with it we agreed. Now as for you're tree pictured, it looks like shimpaku grafted? If it was and has no work done its still raw material but good stuff. As for price am sure people may say $1000 $1500 or $3000 the thing is would any of those whom give the price are willing to actually buy it for what they said? Unless you work these said trees that's the only way you can get a current market value without being ripped off. By now after you have had time put into those trees but ended up out growing its shape you would stand a little under because its not at its best and that's were selling it at a reasonable price to a person whom is knowledgable in caring for each. My thoughts for your inquiry would be ask for best offers on each tree with as much history you can recall. Then am sure you would get answers you're looking for that can be fair to you and te buyer...
Good luck and best regards,
Rishi.
 
It's worth the price someone is offering to pay for it.

Correct.

And usually what someone is willing to pay is directly related to comparable sales within a given market.

I am grateful to Buddhamonk for offering his thought on what the market is like nowadays which is the kind of feedback that I hoped for. Will I take it as gospel. No ,but I am grateful to have it.
 
Nice Tree

In the PNW I would say this tree would go for $1,500 to $2,000. Higher back east.

Put it up on ebay for $2,500 or more and see if you get any interest. Charge at least $300 for shipping and packaging. You would want to make sure it is wired properly to the shipping box/container.

Consignment: have one of the bonsai nurseries in the area put it up on consignment. just a thought. :)
 
I appreciate all the feedback. Even though its only all about one of the trees.i'll still need to figure out the others.

But something that has been brought to my attention by more than one person on this specific juniper is that the reason I thought to sell was because I didn't want the tree to lose health or lose anymore development to neglect. There is the possibility of handing the tree over to the care of a quality artist for maintenance and styling. Thereby removing concern that this tree is going to lose vigor or worse. Along with its increase in beauty over time. Abyproduct would be an increase in its value as well. And i could stay connected to the tree in this scenario. Its definitely worth considering...

I am such a do it yourself'er it hadn't even occurred to me as an option.

Many of the other trees will more likely need to be sold but this one.... Hmmmm
 
I appreciate all the feedback. Even though its only all about one of the trees.i'll still need to figure out the others.

But something that has been brought to my attention by more than one person on this specific juniper is that the reason I thought to sell was because I didn't want the tree to lose health or lose anymore development to neglect. There is the possibility of handing the tree over to the care of a quality artist for maintenance and styling. Thereby removing concern that this tree is going to lose vigor or worse. Along with its increase in beauty over time. Abyproduct would be an increase in its value as well. And i could stay connected to the tree in this scenario. Its definitely worth considering...

I am such a do it yourself'er it hadn't even occurred to me as an option.

Many of the other trees will more likely need to be sold but this one.... Hmmmm

Your not far from Santa Rosa, take them to the REBS exhibit tomorrow and share a table with someone. You could probably sell them all if they are priced right. You can also see what people are willing to pay for comparable material. I am sure you will see many trees around 800.00 still on the table come Sunday, and some for 2000.00 will fly out. It just depends on who shows up and what they are looking for.

I'm looking for pots tomorrow, sorry.
 
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