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I am currently trying to grow a lot of different plants to brighten up my new flat, so as well as taking cuttings I have been growing things from the supermarket like ginger, peppers and avocados, so I can get a nice bit of foliage. I was eating a Kiwi for lunch and decided that I would try keeping some of the seeds to see if I can get any kiwi plants to germinate. I was just wondering... since grape vines can be used to make bonsai, can you also use kiwi vines? I haven't seen any on the internet which I suppose is all the answer I really need, but I thought I would just ask here incase anyone else has tried or has a clue, since I don't know anything about the plants.
 
I’ve sprouted kiwi from market-fruit seed... they HATE Wisconsin.,....

So germination is easy... make sure to use a smaller particulate MORE absorbent mix when starting Kiwi seeds. (Seed starter mixes, potting soil, UN-sifted DE.. whatever)

I would recommend, not trying to root the vines.... unless you are SUPER close to the source.... SOOO many factors go into “equating” whether or not a grocery store vine will be viable enough.. SO... MANY... FACTORS.. Shipping stops, temperatures of refrigeration units truck/store, temperatures of “docks”, chemicals used in preservation, chloroplast position on certain species would be good to know for analysis....

I’ve tried to root grocery-store grape vines a few times... only gained SLIGHT root hairs ONCE... right before it perished.

Kiwi seeds grow/sprout fairly quickly.... if you had access to a LIVE plant, I’d give cuttings a go.

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Never tried the to plant supermarket kiwi seeds, but there are cold hardy cultivars of kiwi that should manage in the UK. We experimented by starting some of those for our garden this year, but they didn't make it through the shock of transplanting outside as far as we can tell. Our starter medium was peat and perlite, which worked out well for most of our starts.

I imagine if you weren't transplanting it'd be easier to keep them going so long as the stayed warm all year, and the general rule is virtually any woody plant can be used for bonsai. Let it grow a few years with slight trims for experimentation to get to know its habits, and I can't see why you couldn't bonsai a kiwi.
 
I grew some once.

They think this is Wisconsin!

Sorce
 
I have 3 seedling kiwi fruit plants. All female and all have small fruit - too small to be useful as edibles.
Germination of seed is easy.
I agree that the rampant growth habit is going to be difficult to control if you want anything like a tree shape but some I have kept in pots showed remarkable reduction in growth so it may be possible.
Kiwi wood is very soft so pruning is likely to cause dieback and some rot in pruned trunks and branches.
Die back is common after pruning so expect regular enforced changes to style.
Large leaves make proportion and scale more difficult.
 
Thanks for all the thoughts I hope they aren't too good at sprouting otherwise I am going to have about 100 little seedings 😅
I don't know why it has never occurred to me that you could try growing kiwi seeds before, so at least it should be a fun little experiment.
When you say it is soft and dies back easily, do you mean in a similar way to how Elder trees do?

Does anyone else have any suggestions about potential seeds/cuttings from everyday places that I could try growing for indoor colour, or maybe potential bonsai material? I have seen a nice deep blue hydrangea near here. Does anyone know if you can grow them indoors? I have also seens quite a lot of nice conifers, but as far as I am aware, they don't really take from cuttings? though if anyone can prove me wrong, that would be a good thing to know 😁
 
Thanks for all the thoughts I hope they aren't too good at sprouting otherwise I am going to have about 100 little seedings 😅
I don't know why it has never occurred to me that you could try growing kiwi seeds before, so at least it should be a fun little experiment.
When you say it is soft and dies back easily, do you mean in a similar way to how Elder trees do?

Does anyone else have any suggestions about potential seeds/cuttings from everyday places that I could try growing for indoor colour, or maybe potential bonsai material? I have need a nice deep blue hydrangea near here. Does anyone know if you can grow them indoors? I have also seens quite a lot of nice conifers, but as far as I am aware, they don't really take from cuttings? though if anyone can prove me wrong, that would be a good thing to know 😁
Apple, cherries, poms, Citrus, Bittersweet Vines, Wild Grapes, Helicopter Hunting, Native Berries..

Conifer cuttings?... depends on the conifer. ;)

...but yes, overall more difficult.. with a large chunk of cone-bearers UNABLE.

Find out your local collection rules/guidelines.. Get in touch with the property managers. Because it’s SUPER easy to ask.. and the worst thing that happens is “No.”
 
Unfortunately I don't really know my conifers, though i know it isn't a juniper. They are way too big for that haha. Here are some pictures of them though
 

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Yeah... those conifers, Pinus and Picea... aren’t known for easy-propagation via stem cutting...

Not saying it’s IMPOSSIBLE... I have just never done it successfully...and I know a few others with similar experiences. ;)
 
The first picture appears to be Cedrus (cedar). Extremely difficult to grow as cuttings but seed germinates with cold treatment. I doubt they would thrive indoors though.
Several trees in the second pic but I can't see enough detail of the centre tree to make a guess at ID.
There are quite a few conifers that do grow well from cuttings - juniper, larch, dawn redwood, Chamaecyparis, Thuja, Cryptomeria are just a few that are reasonably easy. Some others are considered difficult but CAN still be grown as cuttings with some skill and the right conditions.
You should be able to find plenty of species that are suitable for bonsai in parks and gardens in your area. Permission should be obtained to collect cuttings and seed. Most owners are happy to be asked and happy to give material to interested growers but it is usually understood that parts hanging over a fence onto public land are considered fair game and it is well known that cuttings taken without permission have a much better strike rate.

I've never seen a hydrangea indoors but it may be possible. Flower color depends on the soil acidity so you can have either pink or blue flowers from the same plant depending on the pH of the soil.
Citrus all grow well from seed even from store bought fruit and do OK indoors if there's enough light and warm.
Most fruit can also be grown from seeds from store fruit. Sometimes I've even had seeds germinating inside cool store apples.

Not bonsai but Pineapples grow well indoors and can be grown as a cutting from the top of a fresh pineapple. Don't expect to harvest fresh fruit as they appear to need specific set of conditions to fruit. garlic, onions and ginger can all grow from store produce. Sweet potato can start growing and makes a nice indoor vine. Some varieties are grown as annual ornamental plants in some places.

When you say it is soft and dies back easily, do you mean in a similar way to how Elder trees do?
Wood is not only soft but stems are also hollow so after pruning it is common for the soft wood to start to rot. Sometimes a part will die but the plant usually sprouts new shoots lower on the trunk and grows again.
 
@bonsai-novice

There are several species of kiwi-fruit, Actinidia is the genus name. The most common is the "standard kiwi" Actinidia deliciosa, it is only hardy to warmer half of zone 7. The "golden Kiwi" is Actinidia chinensis, which is more popular as a culinary fruit in China, where as in EU and USA Actinidia deliciosa is more common in the grocery stores. Actinidia chinensis is winter hardy through USDA zone 7 into USDA zone 6. There are a couple other culinary fruit species, Actinidia coriacea, melanandra, and purpurea, but they are not as common in the grocery stores. All are zone hardy only through zone 7.

Hardy kiwifruit are the species Actinidia arguta (all of zone 5) and Actinidia kolomikta (thru all of zone 4). Both of these have small grape size fruit. A. kolomikta fruit is smaller than grape size. The fruit is edible, though it takes a big vine to grow more than a mouthful.

I've never seen the plants of the culinary kiwis, I would assume that the comments by @Shibui are correct. When you prune just leave a long stub, and then go back months later and prune away the dried and dead parts. The vine will keep growing. All members of Actinidia are dioecious, meaning an entire plant from seed is either male or female. In order to get fruit you must have one of each, and they should be planted within about 10 feet or 3 meters of each other. Too far apart and pollination drops as bugs (not just bees) are less efficient at getting from the male to the female flowers. In commercial fruit orchards, 3 to 5 females are planted in a row, then a male, then another 3 to 5 females, then a male. The adjacent row, usually 10 foot away, they stagger the start of the pattern so that across the row from the females are the male in the pattern. They are planted in orchards very similar to the way grapes are planted in a vineyard.

I have seen, touched even, my friend Irene's Actinidia arguta. She has a fairly old, maybe 10 year old vine growing in the ground, in Wisconsin ( @HorseloverFat ). The vines have a nice rough bark that begins to develop maybe the 4th year. Flowers in middle of spring are very sweet smelling. With 10 years of age the vine is only a little larger in diameter than my thumb. The vine rambles up and out about 10 feet in all directions. The wood and bark do not seem to be as soft as @Shibui describes for Actinidia deliciosa, as the Actinidia arguta has to be sturdy enough to survive Wisconsin winters. Wood seems more like grape in terms of hardness. (which is still not considered hardwood, especially wood less than 5 years old).

Like grape they could make a nice bonsai, and like grape many of the same issues are a problem. It takes many years to develop a "trunk". Generally you'll have to settle for thumb diameter trunks, unless you can find an old established vine in the landscape to harvest for bonsai. (not likely, except in New Zealand where it is a commercial crop).

I think Actinidia might be fun for those with room for a backyard vineyard to grow for the fruit. The less common species being the ones worth growing for fruit as the "standard" kiwi is too cheap to be worth the effort to grow for fruit at home. The species like A. coriacea, melanandra, and purpurea all have red or purple fruit with slightly different flavors for those in mild, zone 7 or warmer climates. Actinidia arguta is quite tasty, much like the standard kiwi, maybe a little sweeter, and would be fun to grow for those in zones 6 and 5.

In the landscape they need full sun, or at least a half day of direct sun, to bear fruit. They would not be a good choice for indoor growing. The large leaves and slowness to trunk up also mean they would be a less than ideal choice for "indoor bonsai" even if you had a high tech under lights set up. Actinidia is an outdoor plant.
 
I can type as fast as I talk, so even though my "missives" are lengthy, they don't take all that much time. I did have too much caffeine this morning, I'm burning it off "digitally".

@bonsai-novice - About indoor bonsai. Generally ALL trees are outdoor trees. But there are a few that do survive indoors. If you intend to grow your bonsai inside on windowsills the one group of species that does well indoors is the Ficus. There are a few others that do reasonably well on the windowsill, Portulacaria afra the Spekboom is another. Others will make more suggestions.

Most of the more successful windowsill growers I know give their indoor trees a summer vacation outdoors. The number of species that successfully do an indoors for winter, outdoors for summer regime are many. Many more than those that do well indoors year round. Citrus and Pomegranate do well with the indoors for winter, outdoors for summer routine.

The newer LED technology developed by the marijuana growing industry has greatly improved the quality of indoor light set ups. If you set up a growing space with light bright enough for marijuana, you can grow a wide array of tropical trees indoors year round without having to put them outside for the summer. It is even possible to grow Juniper procumbens indoors under these high tech lights. So if you are willing to get familiar with the high output lighting systems, you can indeed grow many, many different species of trees under lights all year round.

I do have a back yard, so I can not give you specifics on growing trees indoors year round, because I don't do it myself. I do grow a wide array of orchids indoors year round, but they do not need as much light as trees, as most orchids are understory plants, so I am still using the 25 year old technology, T-12 fluorescents, some T-5's and a few HPS fixtures, nothing "modern".

So if you want to do bonsai indoors year round, it can be done, spin up on LED technology, look into what the marijuana growers use. Remember, marijuana is a "full sun" plant. It you can get that quality light, you can grow juniper procumbens indoors under lights. Possibly even pine trees.

See threads started by @cmeg1
 
@bonsai-novice

There are several species of kiwi-fruit, Actinidia is the genus name. The most common is the "standard kiwi" Actinidia deliciosa, it is only hardy to warmer half of zone 7. The "golden Kiwi" is Actinidia chinensis, which is more popular as a culinary fruit in China, where as in EU and USA Actinidia deliciosa is more common in the grocery stores. Actinidia chinensis is winter hardy through USDA zone 7 into USDA zone 6. There are a couple other culinary fruit species, Actinidia coriacea, melanandra, and purpurea, but they are not as common in the grocery stores. All are zone hardy only through zone 7.

Hardy kiwifruit are the species Actinidia arguta (all of zone 5) and Actinidia kolomikta (thru all of zone 4). Both of these have small grape size fruit. A. kolomikta fruit is smaller than grape size. The fruit is edible, though it takes a big vine to grow more than a mouthful.

I've never seen the plants of the culinary kiwis, I would assume that the comments by @Shibui are correct. When you prune just leave a long stub, and then go back months later and prune away the dried and dead parts. The vine will keep growing. All members of Actinidia are dioecious, meaning an entire plant from seed is either male or female. In order to get fruit you must have one of each, and they should be planted within about 10 feet or 3 meters of each other. Too far apart and pollination drops as bugs (not just bees) are less efficient at getting from the male to the female flowers. In commercial fruit orchards, 3 to 5 females are planted in a row, then a male, then another 3 to 5 females, then a male. The adjacent row, usually 10 foot away, they stagger the start of the pattern so that across the row from the females are the male in the pattern. They are planted in orchards very similar to the way grapes are planted in a vineyard.

I have seen, touched even, my friend Irene's Actinidia arguta. She has a fairly old, maybe 10 year old vine growing in the ground, in Wisconsin ( @HorseloverFat ). The vines have a nice rough bark that begins to develop maybe the 4th year. Flowers in middle of spring are very sweet smelling. With 10 years of age the vine is only a little larger in diameter than my thumb. The vine rambles up and out about 10 feet in all directions. The wood and bark do not seem to be as soft as @Shibui describes for Actinidia deliciosa, as the Actinidia arguta has to be sturdy enough to survive Wisconsin winters. Wood seems more like grape in terms of hardness. (which is still not considered hardwood, especially wood less than 5 years old).

Like grape they could make a nice bonsai, and like grape many of the same issues are a problem. It takes many years to develop a "trunk". Generally you'll have to settle for thumb diameter trunks, unless you can find an old established vine in the landscape to harvest for bonsai. (not likely, except in New Zealand where it is a commercial crop).

I think Actinidia might be fun for those with room for a backyard vineyard to grow for the fruit. The less common species being the ones worth growing for fruit as the "standard" kiwi is too cheap to be worth the effort to grow for fruit at home. The species like A. coriacea, melanandra, and purpurea all have red or purple fruit with slightly different flavors for those in mild, zone 7 or warmer climates. Actinidia arguta is quite tasty, much like the standard kiwi, maybe a little sweeter, and would be fun to grow for those in zones 6 and 5.

In the landscape they need full sun, or at least a half day of direct sun, to bear fruit. They would not be a good choice for indoor growing. The large leaves and slowness to trunk up also mean they would be a less than ideal choice for "indoor bonsai" even if you had a high tech under lights set up. Actinidia is an outdoor plant.
Oh yeah.. the cold hardy “kinds” are readily available. My friend does kiwis and melons, predominantly... the seeds i planted were just from a warmer climate. :)

I figured that most kiwi that OP would run across, for market-fruit seed, would most-likely be a less-cold-hardy variety. (But i definitely could be wrong)

I’d like to try some cold hardies... EVENTUALLY...

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I planted 3 hardy kiwis in my yard about 10-15 years ago. One male and two females. I had read that they were aggressive plants...wow was that an accurate (and even understated) description. It took a few years for them to really get going but they have now engulfed and overwhelmed the trellis I built for them. Cannot even see it in the maze of branches but I'm pretty sure they have taken it down. I'd rate them about as vigorous and aggressive as wisteria, maybe more.

They produce beautiful and fragrant flowers in the late spring. The fruit is fuzzless, roughly the size of large grapes or a bit bigger. Very tasty. Ripens very late, best after a frost.

I'd like to try one as bonsai and may hack my way into the mess to try and harvest a decent sized branch. Probably will try a layer. Being a vine, maybe they'd just root from a large cutting but am not sure. If you want one of these with a decent sized trunk, it will take a while. Plant it somewhere where it can just go wild for 5 or 10 years.
 
Watched this one when we first looking at planting hardy kiwi. An orchard growing them in Poland of all places.

If you're considering this, they are diecious so if you want fruit you'll need at least one male that does nothing but polinate the female vines. I forget exactly which variety, but there's one where the male vines have red varigated leaves that are supposed to be something amazing to see.
And yes, they can climb up a structure as much as 40 ft/10 m in a matter of a few years once they get going from what I've read.

If you're set on indoor growing, these won't be for you.
 
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Not bonsai but Pineapples grow well indoors and can be grown as a cutting from the top of a fresh pineapple. Don't expect to harvest fresh fruit as they appear to need specific set of conditions to fruit. garlic, onions and ginger can all grow from store produce. Sweet potato can start growing and makes a nice indoor vine. Some varieties are grown as annual ornamental plants in some places.

The sweet potato is a good idea. I didn't know it grew as a vine. I don't know why It has never occurred to me to grow them either. I plant ordinary potatoes all the time, but never thought to try it with a sweet potato. 😆
 
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