Kingsville Boxwood

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Thought it might be instructive in light of recent postings about the Kingsville boxwood sold by Mirai, to explain my argument over it.

Some said the price tag was questionable and the tree wasn't a "good" bonsai. I agreed that the price was high, BUT not unreasonable given what it was. Others said it didn't matter was it was, it was just a bad bonsai. THAT ticked me off, particularly since those arguing that point had never seen a Kingsville, much less worked with one and assumed it was pretty much like any other boxwood cultivar. It's conformation as a bonsai is only PART of such a tree's worth.

The Kingsville boxwood listed on Mirai's site was an example of an extremely old, large plant that are extremely uncommon. Ryan has said the large Kingsville he has are among the oldest in the U.S. (and by default the rest of the world, since the cultivar originated in Maryland in 1912 and not sold through nurseries until the 1930's. I don't know if it's available in Europe). It's also an identified Kingsville (there are other cultivars that get passed off as Kingsville). Kingsville is arguably one of the best trees to use as bonsai, because it ramifies extremely well and its leaves are tiny and can be made even tinier (1/8th to 1/16th of an inch).

The Kingsville cultivar has a deep history in my area. It was discovered by Harry Hohman who owned Kingsville nursery near Baltimore in 1912. It was planted at the White House in the Rose Garden in the 1960's and the first bonsai at the National Arboretum was a Hohman-grown B. microphylla ‘Compacta.’ I've only seen one other that was anywhere near as large as the one up for sale at Mirai. If I remember correctly, it belonged to Dale Cochoy who bought it from a nursery that was using it to make cuttings to sell. It was also smaller.

To achieve the trunk and branch diameter on the Mirai tree indicates it is well over 60 years old (I'd say older). That kind of age is rare for this cultivar, as is its obvious treatment as a bonsai for most of its life. It's not a recently trunk-chopped landscape specimen.

Some are saying that Kingsville can grow an inch a year. That is true, however, that growth is only part of the story. While it may grow UP an inch a year, thickening of branching and the trunk are incredibly slow. There are not many Kingsville that have mature, old thick branching and trunk flare. Those are also big parts of the value and why someone who is familiar with the cultivar would pay for a relatively high price for it.

Kingsville is a 'dwarf' cultivar, which means everything is even slower than the original species. If you think "regular" boxwood varieties close wounds, and thicken slowly, Kingsville is doubly slow.

The value in the Mirai tree is in its age, scale and cultivar, not primarily in the subjective "good" or "bad" bonsai conformation--the same shift in perceptions that accompany old collected conifers applies, IMO, to other species and unusual cultivars. Actual age and rarity are big pieces of any bonsai's value. With this bonsai, they are THE biggest pieces in its value. Those unfamiliar with the cultivar may only concentrate on conformation. Those who have worked with the cultivar for a while understand there's more going on there than a wonky branch or two. Those who have recently purchased smaller Kingsville will begin to understand that in a few years.
 
Here is a pic of another Kingsville from Shanti Bithi that is/was located in the New York Botanical Garden

Kingsville Boxwood Buxus microphylla ‘Compacta.’ Approximately 55 years old, and 34 years in training in the Ne Tsuranari Style (sinuous raft). This beautiful bonsai is exhibited by Jerome Rocherolle.

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Walter also visited the nursery in the early 2000's...
 
Here is a pic of another Kingsville from Shanti Bithi that is/was located in the New York Botanical Garden



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Walter also visited the nursery in the early 2000's...
Walter had some interesting things to say about the Kingsville there...

Also, I'll see your Walter Pall and raise you a Martha Stewart 😁

https://www.themarthablog.com/2008/12/the-art-of-bonsai-take-a-tour-of-shanti-bithi-bonsai.html
 
Well… bonsai is a visual art form right? So if someone says it’s a bad bonsai, because they don’t like it or find it ugly, it doesn’t matter if it’s the most difficult to grow, 2000 years old, crazy provenance, rarest 1 of 1 tree. For those that don’t like it and think it’s ugly, it will still be a “bad” bonsai right?

But as most things, good or bad is entirely subjective.

I like this boxwood, if it’s worth it or not the price I can’t comment because I would never buy it, being that I’m in another hemisphere. But i do think it’s beautiful.
 
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I thought she was just a chef....
Sacre bleu, she's not a chef... she cooks, that's about it. She taught herself to cook using Julia Child's Mastering the Art of French Cooking... she was a Historian/Stockbroker that got a lucky break and made it.

Anyway, there are a few celebrity chefs that are not chefs at all... but that is another story for another board. LOL
 
Well… bonsai is a visual art form right? So if someone says it’s a bad bonsai, because they don’t like it or find it ugly, it doesn’t matter if it’s the most difficult to grow, 2000 years old, crazy provenance, rarest 1 of 1 tree. For those that don’t like it and fit it ugly, it will still be a “bad” bonsai right?

But as most things, good or bad is entirely subjective.

I like this boxwood, if it’s worth it or not the price I can’t comment because I would never buy it, being that I’m in another hemisphere. But i do think it’s beautiful.
Well, sure those that don't like it visually won't like in any case. HOWEVER, those that make a judgement and question if it's fair priced without considering the entire picture are being a short-sighted. Those other factors are important and WHY the item is priced as it is. You may not like Picasso's cubist period, but his works carry more weight than just the visual aspect. Not that this tree is a masterpiece or wildly valuable by any means, but the thinking on intangibles is similar
 
Does anyone have a good source on Kingsville raw material? Preferably with at least a bit of trunk caliper. I’m seeing some barely rooted cuttings but nothing more than a year or two old.
 
Kingsville are hard to find as a rule at least on the internet… until spring and these tiny trees are offered of sale online eBay, Etsy etc Occasionally these trees pop up for sale at other times….

Brussels has a number of these trees. If you check out their prices you’ll see @rockm is certainly not far off the mark

Beside bonsai etc are also used as miniature forest trees! Here’s a site offering these tiny trees for sale.

cheers
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I bought this Kingsville in May from a reputable nursery. I’m wondering why the leaves on the new growth are larger than the old growth. Any suggestions?
 

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Does anyone have a good source on Kingsville raw material? Preferably with at least a bit of trunk caliper. I’m seeing some barely rooted cuttings but nothing more than a year or two old.
You're going to have to define "a bit of trunk caliper" as that is a huge factor in where you look and what you're going to pay. As noted Brussels has some pretty nice stock from the pics and I've heard Plant City in Ga. has them as well. There are online sources as well, but they can be spotty in quality and pricing. If you've never bought one, expect sticker shock once you get over a half-inch diameter on the trunk.

Actual supplies of Kingsville are spotty. Sometimes you get lucky and you run across a nursery that has a few --older nurseries the Middle Atlantic states, in particular.

There are also other cultivars that approximate Kingsville (but don't completely equal it IM--BTW kingsville is a cultivar of Buxus microphylla--Japanese boxwood ), green velvet, dwarf Korean box (buxus sinica "insularis" nana), other varieties of Buxus sinica --Wintergreen, winter gem,
 
I bought this Kingsville in May from a reputable nursery. I’m wondering why the leaves on the new growth are larger than the old growth. Any suggestions?
A lot of fertilizing, not enough sun, or pinching back or a combo of all three. There's also an outside chance this isn't a "true" kingsville as well...
 
You're going to have to define "a bit of trunk caliper" as that is a huge factor in where you look and what you're going to pay. As noted Brussels has some pretty nice stock from the pics and I've heard Plant City in Ga. has them as well. There are online sources as well, but they can be spotty in quality and pricing. If you've never bought one, expect sticker shock once you get over a half-inch diameter on the trunk.

Actual supplies of Kingsville are spotty. Sometimes you get lucky and you run across a nursery that has a few --older nurseries the Middle Atlantic states, in particular.

There are also other cultivars that approximate Kingsville (but don't completely equal it IM--BTW kingsville is a cultivar of Buxus microphylla--Japanese boxwood ), green velvet, dwarf Korean box (buxus sinica "insularis" nana), other varieties of Buxus sinica --Wintergreen, winter gem,
I’m ok with the sticker shock… I recently acquired a chojubai for about double that price for half the caliper😅. I’d just like to be sure that the material is authentic and healthy. I figured it was worth asking here for first hand experience with reputable sources.
 
I’m ok with the sticker shock… I recently acquired a chojubai for about double that price for half the caliper😅. I’d just like to be sure that the material is authentic and healthy. I figured it was worth asking here for first hand experience with reputable sources.
You still don't really say what you're after. Are you looking for older established stock, nursery stock, etc. 1", 2", 4" diameter trunk? All that makes a difference. The kingsvilles at Brussels are larger than most of what's out there online, but there are some pricier exceptions. FWIW, at nurseries here in the District, Maryland and Va. area you can get lucky finding Kingsvilles at old nurseries, or by asking the right person in a local bonsai club.
 
You still don't really say what you're after. Are you looking for older established stock, nursery stock, etc. 1", 2", 4" diameter trunk? All that makes a difference. The kingsvilles at Brussels are larger than most of what's out there online, but there are some pricier exceptions. FWIW, at nurseries here in the District, Maryland and Va. area you can get lucky finding Kingsvilles at old nurseries, or by asking the right person in a local bonsai club.
The plant pictured in the link you posted from Bonsai Boy in post 13 of this thread is a plant I would be happy with. To put it into words I would like material that is not finished but has been trained to be bonsai. Some people don’t like the term pre-bonsai, but that’s what I’m looking for. Nursery material can cover to wide a spectrum for me to feel comfortable saying that that is a thing that I would want. However, I certainly would not stick my nose up at a nice piece of nursery material.
 
Maybe I’m better off laying out a budget, say maximum of $300, and asking “who can provide the best trunk I can get for my money”?
 
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