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Hello everyone.

I recently picked up this japanese maple from a nursery nearby and am wondering what step to take next. I'm thinking about transplanting into a grow box, but unsure of what size box to make. I'm also concerned on if its too late along to transplant into a box, as the leaves seem to be opening. Also unsure if I should take a different step first, or what is recommended..

Any advice is greatly appreciated 👏
 

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Im no master but from what ive read you can still repot now while the buds are just starting to open, I repotted a big maple a few years back at this point and it was perfectly fine. Have a look at Harry Harringtons bonsai4me.com it has a species guide on there for pretty much anything you cam think of and he is a great artist!
I wont suggest where to prune but on there he gives you great advice on the timings of everything


Goodluck!
 
Im no master but from what ive read you can still repot now while the buds are just starting to open, I repotted a big maple a few years back at this point and it was perfectly fine. Have a look at Harry Harringtons bonsai4me.com it has a species guide on there for pretty much anything you cam think of and he is a great artist!
I wont suggest where to prune but on there he gives you great advice on the timings of everything


Goodluck!
Thank you, I appreciate the new resource!
 
After you repot ensure to keep the tree from freezing/ frosting temps. Please place your general location into your profile so others will know your approximate growing zone to allow for better advice.
 
Don’t try to do too much at one time. You should think about a plan for the next 5 years and focus on 1 big task each year. The plan will change and evolve based on how the tree responds. First question is if the tree is grafted.

Option #1 no graft on its own roots:
Year 1: Roots and trunk: I would repot it now into a wooden box. You want the box to be big but still able to be moved. 20”x 20”x 5 1/5” deep gets pretty heavy. 16”x16”x5 1/2” is more manageable. Work the roots hard this year and spread them out on a tile or block of wood to flatten the base of the tree. After it is repotted let it grow for the rest of the year. Don’t cut it back or style it. You are growing a trunk and root base at this point. Over the course of the year you will learn the conditions that the tree needs to grow well in your yard. See if you can keep the leaves from getting burned in the summer and have good fall colors.

Option #2 Grafted Tree
Most nursery stock is a named variety grafted on to normal roots. You are going to want to get the tree onto its own roots and eliminate the grafting line on the trunk. The essayist way to do this is with a ground layer. Here are some pictures of a ground layer that I did last year on a nursery stock tree. This year I will separate the tree from the graft and put it into a wooden box to continue growing the trunk.
 

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Don’t try to do too much at one time. You should think about a plan for the next 5 years and focus on 1 big task each year. The plan will change and evolve based on how the tree responds. First question is if the tree is grafted.
For sure, I wasn't planning on going too crazy lol

From what I can tell, they are not a grafted tree. There doesn't appear to be any visible graft that I can tell

Thank you!
 
Earlier would be better for transplant but with leaves just opening it is still possible to root prune and transplant safely. My guess is you have a week of safety left depending how fast those leaves are opening.
I do not recommend grow box or in ground without doing root work first. Commercial grown trees invariably have tangled and circling roots. Good bonsai need good nebari. Even more important for deciduous trees. Thickening the trunk first means tangled roots become much thicker tangled roots that are correspondingly more difficult to rectify so roots first, trunk next and branches last where possible.
If you feel that it may be too late to do the roots now, just grow it on in the current pot for this year. You should be able to find some trunk/branch work to do this year then fix roots next Winter/Spring. Maybe look for place/s to improve trunk taper. Remove branches too close together to avoid developing inverse taper. Remove oddly angles branches and/or wire branches to get better exit angles. Look for places to prune branches to help with branch taper and/or ramification.

Generally don't go too big with grow box. Probably around twice as long and wide as the current pot would be suitable for this tree. 4" to 6" deep is usually OK but depends on what materials you have available.

It's well worth adding a location to your profile. Seems you are somewhere warmish with the new shoots but location dictates timing for many bonsai tasks so its important we know before giving advice.
 
Earlier would be better for transplant but with leaves just opening it is still possible to root prune and transplant safely. My guess is you have a week of safety left depending how fast those leaves are opening.
I do not recommend grow box or in ground without doing root work first. Commercial grown trees invariably have tangled and circling roots. Good bonsai need good nebari. Even more important for deciduous trees. Thickening the trunk first means tangled roots become much thicker tangled roots that are correspondingly more difficult to rectify so roots first, trunk next and branches last where possible.
If you feel that it may be too late to do the roots now, just grow it on in the current pot for this year. You should be able to find some trunk/branch work to do this year then fix roots next Winter/Spring. Maybe look for place/s to improve trunk taper. Remove branches too close together to avoid developing inverse taper. Remove oddly angles branches and/or wire branches to get better exit angles. Look for places to prune branches to help with branch taper and/or ramification.

Generally don't go too big with grow box. Probably around twice as long and wide as the current pot would be suitable for this tree. 4" to 6" deep is usually OK but depends on what materials you have available.

It's well worth adding a location to your profile. Seems you are somewhere warmish with the new shoots but location dictates timing for many bonsai tasks so its important we know before giving advice.
Thank you!

I added a location to my profile after the other user recomended, maybe I did it wrong though.. Will double check. I'm in central California, Zone 9a. Just had a bunch of rain and will be semi-cold for the next week, high 50's.

Not grow box until the roots are fixed? As in i should cut down and comb out roots and flatten them before putting in the box, correct? Or am I missing an in between step?

I'm honestly not sure at all when it comes to the timing on this, I'm lost as to whether or not I should repot right now.

Thank you for your help
 
Not grow box until the roots are fixed? As in i should cut down and comb out roots and flatten them before putting in the box, correct? Or am I missing an in between step?
Apologies for not being clear enough. Definitely cut down, comb out roots before growing on in a grow box (or any other growing space, ground, grow bed, etc)
Hard to tell what you'll find when you get the soil off but frequently lots of circling roots, sometimes close to the trunk from when it was in a little pot years ago. Sometimes we can bend some out straighter but often the only option is to chop lateral roots real short. Chopping short is often good because that forces the roots to branch out (ramify) which is much better nebari than long, straight roots.
Flatten the root system is also correct. Again, some thinner roots might be able to bend to be horizontal but I usually just chop any vertical roots off close to the base of the tree. After the initial hard chop the trees usually put more effort into the surface roots and don't bother growing big down roots any more.

Japanese maples can tolerate quite severe root pruning. I don't usually go quite as hard as tridents but you'll probably be surprised how much can be reduced and still survive.
Not sure I have any radical root reduction pics for JM but here's a few tridents I cut back.
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Found a few 'after' JM root reduction pics.
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The roots above were long, straight roots and were chopped where all the smaller roots are now. You can see that new roots almost always emerge from the chopped ends so it's important to cut long roots right back where you want new roots to start. Also note that thicker roots usually produce more new roots than thinnest ones.
Pics are 1 year after root chop.
I cut all those again after the photos, just leaving 1/4 - 1/2 inch of the new roots to further ramify the root system as a whole.

I'm honestly not sure at all when it comes to the timing on this, I'm lost as to whether or not I should repot right now.
Definitely harder to make that call with little experience.
I would definitely do it down here with leaves at that stage but maybe lots of experience makes that safer for me?
Most would say play it safe and wait till next year.
I guess it might come down to how much of a gambler you are?
 
Apologies for not being clear enough. Definitely cut down, comb out roots before growing on in a grow box (or any other growing space, ground, grow bed, etc)
Hard to tell what you'll find when you get the soil off but frequently lots of circling roots, sometimes close to the trunk from when it was in a little pot years ago. Sometimes we can bend some out straighter but often the only option is to chop lateral roots real short. Chopping short is often good because that forces the roots to branch out (ramify) which is much better nebari than long, straight roots.
Flatten the root system is also correct. Again, some thinner roots might be able to bend to be horizontal but I usually just chop any vertical roots off close to the base of the tree. After the initial hard chop the trees usually put more effort into the surface roots and don't bother growing big down roots any more.

Japanese maples can tolerate quite severe root pruning. I don't usually go quite as hard as tridents but you'll probably be surprised how much can be reduced and still survive.
Not sure I have any radical root reduction pics for JM but here's a few tridents I cut back.
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Found a few 'after' JM root reduction pics.
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The roots above were long, straight roots and were chopped where all the smaller roots are now. You can see that new roots almost always emerge from the chopped ends so it's important to cut long roots right back where you want new roots to start. Also note that thicker roots usually produce more new roots than thinnest ones.
Pics are 1 year after root chop.
I cut all those again after the photos, just leaving 1/4 - 1/2 inch of the new roots to further ramify the root system as a whole.


Definitely harder to make that call with little experience.
I would definitely do it down here with leaves at that stage but maybe lots of experience makes that safer for me?
Most would say play it safe and wait till next year.
I guess it might come down to how much of a gambler you are?
Thank you so much for the detailed and thorough response, I really appreciate it!

Seeing how far the tridents roots were pruned back is insane, that's practically just a thick stick 😆

These are what some of the leaves are looking like right now, just took the picture. This branch has the most "leaves", a decent portion of the rest of the tree is buds and just opening

As far as gambling, usually I'm willing to wager. This time though I want to do what's best for this tree and their progression, as I'm oddly attached for only having them for a handful of days 😆

Thank you so much for your help!
 

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