Japanese black pine seedlings in training

[bonhe]

As my promise, I create this post to encourage the people to grow bonsai from the seeds. To me, bonsai hobby is one of the best meditations. Furthermore, growing the bonsai from the seeds give me much more reward regarding to meditation. Combined with lifestyle changes, I believe it will help us to prevent quite a few diseases such as Alzheimer, high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus, stroke, heart attack.
Those JBP seedlings were given to me by my teacher 2 years ago. They are about 3 years old now.
I don't use colander for them as I did for Korean black pine http://www.bonsainut.com/threads/korean-black-pine-in-training.22212/page-2#post-343513

They were heavily wired and bent at 2 years old. They have been received lot of chemical and organic fertilizer.
From now on, they will be only wired as needed. Most of the training will be cut and grow method.

I started pruning for them this afternoon.
Before


After cutting back the new shoots

It will be trained for cascade. I have two way to go (A, or B).


Too much fun to work with the seedlings. It gives me very broad imagination. The trees will guide me to their potential!
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Another one.
Before


After. The yellow line is showing the trunk line for now.


When the new buds comes out from the cut surface, I will choose the buds according to their grow direction.


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[bonhe]

Wow, I did not update this post for almost 2 years!
This is a group of 6 years old JBP seedlings taken picture this morning. They have full of new shoots. Do I want to remove them or break them at this time? Absolutely no no!


One of them. I have been using both wiring and grow- cut techniques on those trees.


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[bonhe]

I worked on this 5 yo pine this morning. When I talked to my teacher this morning, he said these JBP seedlings from the seeds collected from JBP tree growing in Southern California !
Before


After pruning


This tree is one of pines under my research at this time. Its bark.


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[bonhe]

Another one. Before

After


Another one. Before


after


Another one. Before


after sacrificed branch was removed


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[Aaron the Great]

Very nice, I have 2 JBP that I started last summer. Not very big though.

 

[bonhe]

Very nice, I have 2 JBP that I started last summer. Not very big though.

Thank you.
Don't worry. You will get in there!
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[bonhe]

I brought these JBP out this morning for pruning.


Before


Most of my JBP has 2 flushes in a year


It will have the 3rd flush if I don't prune it now.


I did partial cut on all Spring growth (the 1st flush).


I keep this bud for future trunk line


After


The trunk base


I keep this small branch for further enlargement of the trunk base.


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[bonhe]

Before


Old needles


I removed all old needles, then performed partial cut on Spring growths.
After. This is a proposed front.


or this, with trunk base


Do you recognize the scars due to wiring? ( the arrows point to the scars)


Am I afraid of the scar's aesthetic? Not at all. They are going to disappear soon. Wire related scar on the branches may become a big problem, but not on the trunk!
By the way, can you believe I let the trunk swallow the wire in?
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[my nellie]

Most of my JBP has 2 flushes in a year
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It will have the 3rd flush if I don't prune it now.
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So, now this comes to confirm what I have known/read lately about multiple flush of growth on pines (not induced by pruning/decandling).
I will watch this topic, Thụ Thoại, thank you!

 

[my nellie]

By the way, can you believe I let the trunk swallow the wire in?
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I know that Japanese growers do this, too.
But I don't know if this was an old technique which is not applied any more....

 

[bonhe]

So, now this comes to confirm what I have known/read lately about multiple flush of growth on pines (not induced by pruning/decandling).
I will watch this topic, Thụ Thoại, thank you!

You are welcome my nellie

I know that Japanese growers do this, too.
But I don't know if this was an old technique which is not applied any more....

I saw a video of Japanese grower applied this technique on his JBP . I can not find out the source any more! If you know, please share . Thank you.
IMO, this technique works very well to create the natural tortute effect to the tree if you know how to use it effectively.
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[evanjt]

You are welcome my nellie


I saw a video of Japanese grower applied this technique on his JBP . I can not find out the source any more! If you know, please share . Thank you.
IMO, this technique works very well to create the natural tortute effect to the tree if you know how to use it effectively.
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I know what video you might be talking about. It's an episode in the "Lindsay Farr's World of Bonsai" series. You can watch it for free if you google it. I personally learned a lot from this and also it was very enjoyable. Sorry, I forget what episode it was though.

 

[my nellie]

 

[bonhe]

thanks my nellie. it is the video to which i watched in the past.
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[bonhe]

I brought 3 more JBP seedlings out for pruning this morning.
Before


After


Before


After


Before


After

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[bonhe]

I have been trying to finish working on black pines at this time, so I can concentrate on junipers, pomegranate.
I pulled all of old needles from this black pine this morning. I really like its trunk line for its calligraphy style


I love its elbow!


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[0soyoung]

I love its elbow!

Are you sure it isn't a callous, maybe a wart?
It is interesting nonetheless.

 

[bonhe]

Are you sure it isn't a callous, maybe a wart?
It is interesting nonetheless.

Hahahhaa, I need to apply liquid nitrogen on it, now !
Callus? It should be called keloid! . Actually, this phenomenon is very interesting. "The elbow" is actually is a overgrown scar combined with vascular impediment in the area.
Let take a closer look to this area. Its lateral aspects have mild protuberances (yellow arrows)



From lateral view, you can see the healing scar, with 2 side protuberances.


The skin in protuberance is like shark gills.


I am thinking these signs is due to the accordion effect.
As always, what is the learning point here?
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[0soyoung]

The 'shark gills' frequently show up at the bases of acer palmatums, where the 'root collar' spreads out horizontally from the vertical trunk edge - kind of like a Shar Pei, huh? Makes one think that it is just too much skin, but it isn't like skin wrinkling at our elbows when our forearms are raised. It isn't obvious how this comes to be, but I've never given it much more thought.

Do tell about the 'vascular impediment'.