Is there a pot appraisal process ?

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Hi ,

Is there a pot appraisal place in US ? I want to get a pot appraised as am not sure if it’s true to what is being claimed . It will be good to have a certificate for the appraisal .

Regards,
Abhishek

 

[KikurageOtomo]

Hi ,

Is there a pot appraisal place in US ? I want to get a pot appraised as am not sure if it’s true to what is being claimed . It will be good to have a certificate for the appraisal .

Regards,
Abhishek

Bonsai is a pretty niche hobby, so unless you're dealing with a very notable potter who has their chop recorded online somewhere you'll likely be out of luck. https://japanesebonsaipots.net/services/ this individual claims to do small amount of appraisals pro bono, so perhaps thats worth consideration. I don't think getting a certificate of appraisal is going to happen unless its a genuine antique and you bring it to a true antiques dealer.

 

[R0b]

Not completely what you are asking for but it might help website for European stamps but with link for Asian and American Potters.

European Bonsai Potter DATABASE

Potter Stamp / Markings DATABASE for European BONSAI POTTERY.

www.europeanbonsaipottercollective.com

 

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Bonsai is a pretty niche hobby, so unless you're dealing with a very notable potter who has their chop recorded online somewhere you'll likely be out of luck. https://japanesebonsaipots.net/services/ this individual claims to do small amount of appraisals pro bono, so perhaps thats worth consideration. I don't think getting a certificate of appraisal is going to happen unless its a genuine antique and you bring it to a true antiques dealer.

Not completely what you are asking for but it might help website for European stamps but with link for Asian and American Potters.

European Bonsai Potter DATABASE

Potter Stamp / Markings DATABASE for European BONSAI POTTERY.

www.europeanbonsaipottercollective.com

Thank you both for reply !

Am looking to appraise a pot that’s claimed to be Kinka which means it predates Yamaaki and hence supposedly quite old - like 100-150 years old if my novice knowledge serves me right . But I want to know if it’s truly so .

 

[0soyoung]

I think this is the foremost authority: https://japanesebonsaipots.net/about/

And, you can completely trust what you buy from https://www.ebay.com/str/kaedebonsaien

 

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

I think this is the foremost authority: https://japanesebonsaipots.net/about/

And, you can completely trust what you buy from https://www.ebay.com/str/kaedebonsaien

Oh yes ! Matthew is pretty amazing but I don't think I can get him to appraise a pot I didn't buy from him .
Will try and check the website and see if I can get hold of the appraiser

 

[shimbrypaku]

Have you ever purchased from Matt?
It would just be an email requesting assistant with a bonsai pot, he’s a great guy in person, I would shoot him an email.
Thanks

 

[rockm]

Ryan Bell is the guy to talk to, but I'd bet Matt O. would also give you his guess as well. I highly doubt, however, either is going to give you a an official "certificate" about authenticity. If you're on Facebook, Bell runs a "Bonsai Pot Identification" group that IDs pots and if members are willing an estimate on value. I've used it in the past. Very effective on IDing Japanese and Western pots.

 

[Canada Bonsai]

I agree with what was said above, Michael Ryan Bell (https://japanesebonsaipots.net) is an excellent, honest resource. I have hired him frequently for appraisal, consultation, crash course, etc.

 

[ShimpakuBonsai]

Am looking to appraise a pot that’s claimed to be Kinka which means it predates Yamaaki and hence supposedly quite old - like 100-150 years old if my novice knowledge serves me right.

The suspense is killing me to see what it looks like.
Can you show us a picture of this pot?

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Let see it! Another rough estimator is looking at prices of similar items and how quickly they’re selling. Ebay has several Kinka pots listed and the shapes and prices can give an idea. I owned an 18.5” wide oval and think it was around $350 in 2013. It had the dragon stamp.

 

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Sorry guys for not replying to the thread .

Well it turned out to be a bust as it was indeed kinka but when I actually saw it in person , it had so many chips and cracks that it was almost unusable . Had to pass on especially considering the asking price for a broken pot like that .

 

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Anyways here’s one I got that unidentified yet and I have trying hard to find the maker but no idea .
You guys probably can as you are so much more experienced than me .

 

[vp999]

Thank you both for reply !

Am looking to appraise a pot that’s claimed to be Kinka which means it predates Yamaaki and hence supposedly quite old - like 100-150 years old if my novice knowledge serves me right . But I want to know if it’s truly so .

I had a 100 year old large rectangle Kinka that I bought for only around $200+ from Matty O that I just gave to friend... They dont worth that much much than an ordinary Tokoname pot...Unless yours is rare.

 

[vp999]

What was the asking price?

 

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

What was the asking price?

For the Kinka ? 300$ for a 7x3 pot which had 2 major chips and a crack all the way to the interior and several small ones

 

[vp999]

For the Kinka ? 300$ for a 7x3 pot which had 2 major chips and a crack all the way to the interior and several small ones

Ohh hell no...lol. Some people wayyyy over valued what they have, maybe $50 tops with all the imperfections.

 

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Ohh hell no...lol. Some people wayyyy over valued what they have, maybe $50 tops with all the imperfections.

That’s good to know . I was ready to go upto 300$ if there were no imperfections .

 

[Canada Bonsai]

Well it turned out to be a bust as it was indeed kinka but when I actually saw it in person , it had so many chips and cracks that it was almost unusable . Had to pass on especially considering the asking price for a broken pot like that .

Most Kinka pots you will ever see in your life will have some clear signs of wear like chips or cracks. They are known for this. @vp999 @Abhishek Dasgupta these kinds of things are not always considered 'imperfections', and it is important to understand what you are buying and why. Kinka is kiln whose bonsai pots I personally collect, and I don't think a single one of them is 'perfect'.

Anyways here’s one I got that unidentified yet and I have trying hard to find the maker but no idea .

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[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Most Kinka pots you will ever see in your life will have some clear signs of wear like chips or cracks. They are known for this. @vp999 @Abhishek Dasgupta these kinds of things are not always considered 'imperfections', and it is important to understand what you are buying and why. Kinka is kiln whose bonsai pots I personally collect, and I don't think a single one of them is 'perfect'.

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Yeah I have checked but cant recognize still the chop . Any help is appreciated .
This is the pot am looking for identification - https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/is-there-a-pot-appraisal-process.59021/#post-1025409