Sorry, you ought to go back and re-read what you have written here and put yourself in perspective. Your information comes as close to yanking and BS as anything I've seen in many years. I don't always agree with Ryan but at least he is making and effort to do two things: Make money and share some knowledge, neither of which is a bad thing. You don't have to agree, you don't have to subscribe to his program, but you don't have one either do you, that we could subscrbe to if we chose? Some people need the inspiration to work their trees, your posts go a long way in discouraging that. Most people that really need these programs and the levels of access don't need you or me telling them they are yanking off in doing their bonsai, or what ever else we think we have to offer.