Is bald cypress always deciduous?

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The pictured tree, which I believe to be a bald cypress, didn't lose its needles last winter and doesn't look like it wants to this year either. A google search for information as to whether or not a bald cypress always goes dormant comes up empty.

Has anyone seen this before with one of their BCs? Is it possible that my tree isn't a bald cypress? What's going on here?


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Looks like one to me...

Your area may not induce leaf loss in that climate but as paradox said, @Cajunrider is the guy who will know!
 
Looks like a bald cypress to me. I live south of you in Orange County, CA. Mine already dropped its leaves maybe a month ago.

I have a trident maple cultivar that doesn’t shed its leaves. Hasn’t for about 5 years.

Maybe your BC has some interesting DNA.
 
I have 3 BC, one has lost its leaves, a second is in the process of, and the third is green as grass. they are all different , my suggestion is don't worry about that as long as they are healthy.
 
Might be a montezuma cypress. They can be evergreen.
Could very well be. My Montezuma cypress, T. mucronatum, is evergreen in my Zone 9a. Mine would lose leaves in the years when it is very cold but will stay evergreen in mild winter. They are very very similar to bald cypress.

"The 1851 publication of T. huegelii by C. Lawson was overlooked for more than 150 years, during which time the name T. mucronatum was used almost exclusively for this taxon; González-Elizondo and González-Elizondo (2022) have proposed formally rejecting the former name, arguing primarily that Lawson's vague description, unaccompanied by any type specimen, may not in fact apply to this taxon. Pending resolution of this point, most authorities continue to call the ahueheute Taxodium mucronatum, although there is also widespread support for the name T. distichum var. mexicanum due to molecular studies showing an extremely close similarity between all taxa of Taxodium (as discussed in the Taxonomic notes for Taxodium)."

Whatever it is called it is Montezuma cypress for me. Although every similar, it is a tiny bit different both in trunk habit and in staying evergreen when it can.
 
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I am in zone 8b, my BCs and Montezuma still have green leaves, although some of the green leaves are starting to fall on the BCs.
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Could very well be. My Montezuma cypress, T. mucronatum, is evergreen in my Zone 9a. Mine would lose leaves in the years when it is very cold but will stay evergreen in mild winter. They are very very similar to bald cypress.

"The 1851 publication of T. huegelii by C. Lawson was overlooked for more than 150 years, during which time the name T. mucronatum was used almost exclusively for this taxon; González-Elizondo and González-Elizondo (2022) have proposed formally rejecting the former name, arguing primarily that Lawson's vague description, unaccompanied by any type specimen, may not in fact apply to this taxon. Pending resolution of this point, most authorities continue to call the ahueheute Taxodium mucronatum, although there is also widespread support for the name T. distichum var. mexicanum due to molecular studies showing an extremely close similarity between all taxa of Taxodium (as discussed in the Taxonomic notes for Taxodium)."

Whatever it is called it is Montezuma cypress for me. Although every similar, it is a tiny bit different both in trunk habit and in staying evergreen when it can.
Do you ever bring your montezuma in if the temperature drops below 20?
 
Do you ever bring your montezuma in if the temperature drops below 20?
I've been below 20 only once with my Montezuma cypress. The tree then was in the ground. Most of the tree died. Luckily the base survived. Now that it is in pot, I will bring it in if temperature get below 25.
 
The pictured tree, which I believe to be a bald cypress, didn't lose its needles last winter and doesn't look like it wants to this year either. A google search for information as to whether or not a bald cypress always goes dormant comes up empty.

Has anyone seen this before with one of their BCs? Is it possible that my tree isn't a bald cypress? What's going on here?


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Do you know anything about the original source? The Florida trees seem to be more sensitive to cold than others and hold their leaves longer. The real question though is does it NEED a dormant period each year to be healthy? I have never seen any papers on this though.
 
The pictured tree, which I believe to be a bald cypress, didn't lose its needles last winter and doesn't look like it wants to this year either. A google search for information as to whether or not a bald cypress always goes dormant comes up empty.

Has anyone seen this before with one of their BCs? Is it possible that my tree isn't a bald cypress? What's going on here?


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the source of this tree will probably inform what it is. Since you're in L.A., and if it's sourced locally, I'd say it's likely a Montezuma cypress.

Montezuma Cypress is sold as landscaping in S. Cal. John Naka's Montezuma Cypress began its bonsai journey as a landscape tree purchased at an L.A. area nursery. It is evergreen and the National Tree of Mexico.
 

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This plant has been known to grow from Mexico to New Mexico and takes full sun. The differences between the Montezuma Bald Cypress and the native Texas Bald Cypress is that the Montezuma has slightly shorter needles and is more evergreen, turning brown later in the fall. The cones are a bit larger and the male flower racimes are longer but the biggest difference is that the Montezuma Bald Cypress does not form the knees like the native Texas Bald Cypress does. Montezuma Cypress, like the Texas Bald Cypress is fast growing.
 



There is also a multi-page section in Naka's "Bonsai Techniques II" that shows development of a 15-20 foot tall nursery bought Montezuma cypress into a bonsai.
What a great story about John's journey with that tree! I don't think I can wait until I'm 87 to complete mine though...
 

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Thanks everyone for your input. I had heard of a Montezuma Cypress before but I figured it was more of a local name or cultivar of Bald Cypress, didn't realize it was its own species. I bought this tree as a whip from an online vendor back in '18 and I was able to find the receipt, which confirms that it is a Montezuma Cypress, not a BC.
 
Mine is always slower to drop its fronds. Mine came from Florida though. It is not dormant yet. It's got a lot of fall color going on though. But holding its own. I try and allow the fronds to stay on. I lean to the fact I think it delays an earlier spring I could be wrong. Just the year I tidied Mine up. It woke really early. I no longer remove them. I allow them to fall off and just remain brown once it looses its bold fall shoe.
 
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