I just purchased a Wisteria bonsai

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I am new to Bonsai, and just purchased a Wisteria bonsai. My question is regarding how to best Over-winter this potted bonsai. I had put it in my outdoor shed initially, but was told that it would not survive there if the Temperatures fell below freezing. So I now have brought it in and placed it in an unheated closet. Is this enough for this bonsai to be safely overwintered?
 
Wisteria are hardy in my zone 5 in the landscape so it should be fine to overwinter outside and protected in your shed in a pot in zone 7. Could it be coming from a warmer climate and isn’t acclimatized to cold? I would not keep it in a closet unless it stays below 40, as it’ll break dormancy.
 
Thanks for the reply. Now I am totally confused. My friend told me that if the Weather outside here in Zone 7/New Jersey goes below freezing - so will the temperature inside my shed, and the roots of my Wisteria will die, and so will the bonsai. My indoor unheated closet maintains about a 55-56 degree temperature this time of year, so what should I do ?
 
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Thanks for the reply. Now I am totally confused. My friend told me that if the Weather outside here in Zone 7/New Jersey goes below freezing - so will the temperature inside my shed, and the roots of my Wisteria will die, and so will the bonsai. My indoor unheated closet maintains about a 55-56 degree temperature this time of year, so what should I do ?
Does your friend do bonsai? I would guess not. Where did this plant come from?
 
I’m asking so I know if that may be the reason for not wanting it to freeze. Usually plants in pots are fine if the are hardy in zones at least one colder than where you are keeping it. You don’t want temps over 40, or it won’t stay dormant, then it’ll start growing in the middle of winter.
 
I purchased this bonsai from Bonsai Boy of New York.
No, he doesn't do bonsai. I think he is afraid that the bonsai pot will break, expose the roots, the roots will die, and the tree will die (This happened to me before when I attempted to over-winter a Wisteria bonsai in my shed over the winter - in the early Spring, when I went to get it out of the shed, the pot had smashed into pieces and the tree was dead). So, I don't want to kill another bonsai.......:(
 
Ok it will be fine in your shed. I would get a plastic or rubber tub that your pot can fit into with some space all around, like 6” or more. Poke holes in the bottom for drainage, then put mulch in under and around your pot. That way if your pot breaks it’ll still be protected. Some cheap pots can break in freezing temps, so get a good pot for it in the spring.
 
Ok, here is what I did with my Wisteria bonsai .........I placed it in an old Nursery rose-pot, that had drainage holes. I then covered all around the pot with Vermiculite up to and over the bonsai pot. I then put the rose-pot holding the bonsai pot into a large heavy Contractor garbage bag and placed it in the shed. My friend told me that my shed is not frost-free and therefore the roots of the bonsai need to be protected or the bonsai will die. Do you think I still need to get mulch to cover the pot or will the Vermiculite be enough ?
 
Roots freeze and bonsai are fine. Mine spent weeks on end with their soil frozen solid in the pots and they survive. In your case, the plasticnbag is an overkill. It will not allow for proper drainage and that can lead to fungal issues. I would stop listening to your friend
 
My problem was previously that the Pot broke, the roots were exposed, and that is what killed the bonsai. The pot gets taken out of the plastic bag to get watered, I don't plan on watering the bonsai while in the plastic bag.
 
Ok it will be fine in your shed. I would get a plastic or rubber tub that your pot can fit into with some space all around, like 6” or more. Poke holes in the bottom for drainage, then put mulch in under and around your pot. That way if your pot breaks it’ll still be protected. Some cheap pots can break in freezing temps, so get a good pot for it in the spring.
THIS! Judy has helped me get through my first winter when we had even colder than known temps in our area...arctic winter temps. Not one tree died thanks to her.
 
@BonsaiGuyNJ
Clearly your friend knows just enough about bonsai to be dangerous, not enough about bonsai to keep a tree alive. Pots from ''Bonsai Boy'' tend to be the cheaper lower production grade pots. These pots are not freeze-thaw resistant. The pot seems to be your friend's focus. Not the health of the tree.

Wisteria, Japanese Wisteria, Chinese Wisteria, American wisteria all are hardy through zone 6, a full zone colder than where you are at. Some are hardy through zone 4, which is -25 F to -30 F. Wisteria, if acclimated to winter over a 2 month period will tolerate their roots freezing. In my area, the Chicago area, building code requires water lines to be a minimum of 48 inches below ground. This means the ground does freeze to 4 foot depth, and all the tree roots in the top 4 feet of ground do freeze along with the soil. Wisteria have no problem at all with their roots freezing. Wisteria, and majority of hardy trees, shrubs & vines, all need a winter dormancy to set flower buds, and vegetative buds for new growth in spring. To get this dormancy the tree has to experience a certain number of hours at temperatures below 40 F. To stay healthy your wisteria needs about 2 to 3 months of temperatures below 40 F. If at any time in the winter the temperature stays above 40 F for more than a day or two, the tree begins to loose its winter hardiness and begins to wake up. It will try to grow. If this happens, you can not ''put it back to sleep''. So if you see buds sprout and push leaves, you need to put it in brightest window you have for the rest of the winter, and keep it indoors until danger of frost has passed, then out for the summer.

If this were my tree, I would find a plastic pot that was a bit larger than the bonsai pot that came with the wisteria. Check the bonsai pot, look at the bottom side, see if there are wires holding the tree into the pot. Cut those wires, then lift the wisteria out of the pot without breaking up the soil mass. Set tree in the plastic pot. Fill in with bonsai soil, or perlite, or vermiculite or whatever. Water the plastic pot and tree. Let drain, then set out in the storage shed. The empty bonsai pot can also go in the storage shed for the winter. No need to put in plastic bag. It is okay to freeze in this set up. Check at least once a week or more often to see if it needs water. Only water if the original bonsai soil near the trunk has gotten somewhat dry. In spring, lift the tree and its original soil & root mass out of the plastic pot and set back inside the bonsai pot. Tie it in with wire if necessary. Place outdoors in the sun where you were planning to grow it for the summer.

The bag can cause problems with fungus. I would not use the bag.

This moving a bonsai out of a nice pot for the winter is done more often than the pro's and most authors care to admit. Good quality bonsai pots are supposed to resist freeze thaw cycling. What is a good pot? Hard to say definitely, usually in the description it will be described as fired to cone 7 to cone 9, or it will have other terms in its description to indicate it is non-porous, high fired, and freeze resistant. These pots tend to be more expensive, usually over $35 and often into hundreds of dollars. Inexpensive pots rarely tolerate freeze thaw cycling. Occasionally good pots have minor flaws that cause them to be susceptible to freezing, and will break on you regardless the fact that you thought you had a resistant pot. So many growers, if they have a very fine pot, will have a second pot, plastic or otherwise inexpensive, that is roughly the same size and shape as the very fine pot, and will put their tree in the fine pot for the display season, then transplant it back to the less expensive pot for growing. This is done, and if care is taken to not disturb the root ball, it can be done as needed. This is not what some people refer to as ''slip potting'' but it is similar. You could do this with your wisteria. Thereby keeping it healthy and preserving the pot.

Key is, you need to focus on what the wisteria needs to be healthy, not the pot.
 
Ok - so I can get a Rubbermaid plastic container with Lid, just like Judy has mentioned .....I will buy Mulch. I will drill drainage Hole in bottom of Rubbermaid container.
Place Mulch in bottom of Rubbermaid container, Place bonsai-in-pot on top of Mulch, place Mulch around pot and place Rubbermaid container in shed for the balance of the Winter. I will water bonsai every 2-weeks and plan, if need be, to repot into a better bonsai pot in the Spring in the event that the current pot breaks over the winter. Thank You Judy, and Thank You, Leo. I have learned alot today and I appreciate your taking the time to teach me.
 
Actually, that's some of his best stuff!!!;):D:D:D:D:D:D:D


@Adair M practices bonsai on a pretty high level. Best to carefully consider his advice...although none given here. But it'll come if your able to be open and receptive......


…...welcome to the internet.....:cool:

Wisteria are pretty rugged...….Bonsai Boy has, perhaps, not such a good reputation in bonsai circles.

don't aim to water on a schedule, and don't water a frozen tree.....good luck with your tree. Wisterias are nice to look at for a week or two.....until the flowers expire, then it's a mess!!!!!!

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