hajimemashite, y'all - me, my farm, getting into bonsai, looking for direction

tantric

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hi, i'm tantric. yes, it's stupid but i really get called that. i'm just starting with bonsai, as in i'm working on a few project that might become bonsai in a few years. but it does seem like i've been preparing for it, even if i didn't know. i went from a BA in japanese and asian lit to the phd program in ecology.

i stand to inherit a small farm (my father is 81). its about 5 acres of arable land around a house and yard, all fenced. it used to be extremely isolated, but development has literally crept in and now we have subdivision neighbors. me and my family really don't get along, so i've never considered living and working on the farm, even though i spent the first 20yrs of my life here. but at this point, turning the farm into a profitable, sustainable enterprise looks like a good bet.

my father is the salt of the earth - the thing you pour on rich, fertile ground when you want it to die and never live again. more respectfully, we have a very different approach to pesticides, fertilizers, companion planting, and basically sustainability. now the old man can grow the mess out of tomatoes and watermelons and basically any normal crop he cares to. but he will only grow Early Girl tomatoes, because 'only old people like farm tomatoes and they don't like weird shit'. but i sold enough heirlooms at twice the price (real farm tomatoes, $1/lb or $2/lb heirloom) to get half the crop heirloom this year.

so, bonsai...well, per square meter one of the most profitable things you can grow on a small farm. only, i'm not setting up a bonsai factory. we have a couple of rows of blueberries. i want to turn the area into a pick-your-own berry patch with early, middle and late blueberries, then some side areas of blackberries, raspberries, lingonberries, muscadines, etc - just so long as for most of the summer there's blueberries and one other berry available. i can't compete in volume with the orchards, but i can make it neat and fun for kids. i'd also like to have on hand a few potted berry-producing plants. these will be my basic starting material for bonsai, air layered or brought in or trained in situ. right now i'm just learning the plant, studying it. i brought one in and kept it alive, but it was a near thing. i may try again soon to see if what i think i learned is useful.

another source for bonsai is all of the trees i'm going to have to cut down, some of which i grew up with. i'm not going for the axe, relax - but i can't have walnut trees in my garden area and i'm not really interested in all the mutated fruit trees (the kind that make so much fruit they break their boughs). but i would like to preserve some part, for me. it's not bonsai, but there's a rose like this. my mom *loved* roses, but she died 20yrs ago and my father has slowly transformed her rose bed into a tomato bed. now there's only one left - that's the kind of thing i want to preserve. the trees aren't really special - if there's any left over to air layer or what not and work with, i'll sell em in a heartbeat. as an experiment i airlayered an old lilac bush a few weeks ago, and, well, it hasn't died.

considering my materials and goals, what's the best way to start?
 
Dude... I can tell you are excited! Get yourself some material and get started!
 
i was hoping for some specific pointers about what i can do with what i have, given the season. i'll be back later with a list of the yard trees.
 
First. I hope my tomato garden joke in the other thread didn't piss you off!
Seems kind of an a hole thing to say now, my apologies for that!

5 acres next to a subdivision sounds profitable in the form of selling it to Walgreens or the like for millions.

We got an old hold out farm here amidst malls and other B.S. , I'm totally with that too! F Urbanization.!

Picking blueberries is something I would take my kids to do, way before apples. Sort of a height thing!

Sorce
 
oh, no - at that point, i wasn't distinguishing between humorous pokes and inflammatory rebukes, you did nothing wrong. it gave me a chance to talk about my tomatoes, so i'll thank you for it, even. you can't sell locally grown produce to most chain stores - it's not inspected or whatever. the only independently owned green grocers are the supermercados, which is fine with me.

thanks about the blueberries - if i can make it an adventure, i can get repeat business. the 'nets say blueberries are profitable, but labor intensive....but i'd really like to have some potted fruiting plants. i'm looking at blueberry bonsai...(honestly, it's cheesy, i know, but its what i've got). i found this one, by Jim Lewis (lewisjk@windstream.net) that looks like a something to aim for.

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now suppose i have such a mangled plant outside - i would need to start prepping it now, i'd think?
 
I was going to do a blueberry bonsai once. I knew a guy that bought some property that had a pick your own blueberry patch. It was overgrown but the plants were huge! But one day last fall he had a burn pile get out of control and bye bye blueberries.
Transplant in spring.
Major cutting in spring.
Slow growing.
Buy the fattest trunk you can find.
Nice little bell shaped flowers in scale with the plant.
Edible fruit.
Feed with Mir acid fertilizer by miracle grow.
 
Get Nick Lenz' book "Bonsai from the Wild" for details on blueberry as bonsai. They can make quite good bonsai, but they are unstable material, meaning they will give up large sections of trunks for no apparent reason. Also, Lenz says that once a branch has produced fruit, it eventually dies off.

Starting a bonsai nursery is not an easy thing to do and trying to produce native stock plants for bonsai is even harder. It's not a money maker and is usually done out of love for the sport. Ask people like Andy Smith http://www.goldenarrowbonsai.com/goldenarrowbonsai.com/Home.html, Zach Smith http://bonsai-south.com/. There have been a few others who have been successful (and successful is relative).

The key to growing stock plants is to understand who your audience is and what they're looking for. Large field grown stock isn't just about size of the trunk, it's about movement, quality of rootage and species. You audience for blueberry bonsai, or other less well-known trees is probably very specific--mid-upper level hobbyists that understand what they're looking at. That means your trees will have to meet higher standards than the typical "juniper in a chines pot."
 
You're only doing blueberry bonsai?

You should grow whats in high demand, maples and pines, and then after you have a foundation I would then start going into specialized bonsai species like your berries.

Or dive straight into the berries. I think alot of newbies would buy them as first plants.
 
i have no intention of starting a bonsai nursery (but you know how these things go) - i want my enterprise to be resilient and resistant, meaning i need diversity. since i have rows of blueberries and will be planting more, i'm hoping people who come for the pick-your-own experience will impulse buy potted blueberry bushes. i think i could get potted bushes pretty tough, enough that anyone who can grow a rhododendron could keep it alive, if not fruiting past the first year. i know most of the plants i'm going to sell are doomed, but these customers are locals and they'll bring the poor desiccated corpses back to me. (i once worked returns at lowe's where they'll take back any dead plant so long as it has the barcode on it - *wow* it was like the NYC morgue from Men in Black but for plants). thing is, 'failed bonsai blueberry' + one year = potted blueberry bush, or so i hope.
 
You have not told us where you are located! Where your farm, actually a large yard in most parts of the country, will dictate the suggestions you receive. AND if you have not done so, you need to become great friends with your local Ag Extension Agent. Just about every county in the US has these experts. And your state Ag University is a great source of info for managing a profitable business. Good luck.
 
You have not told us where you are located! Where your farm, actually a large yard in most parts of the country, will dictate the suggestions you receive. AND if you have not done so, you need to become great friends with your local Ag Extension Agent. Just about every county in the US has these experts. And your state Ag University is a great source of info for managing a profitable business. Good luck.

my bad - i thought i'd filled that out so it would show under my avatar - and now i know i did, because i just did it, and it still doesn't show..hmm

north georgia, on the piedmont, zone 8a, there's no natural forest left at all, but the biogeography course i signed up for was actually about forest succession
so i like it, to a degree (the old chestnut forests are gone forever).
 
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